Do all consulting firms have toxic cultures? The BCG board is extremely negative and people are constantly posting about wanting to leave. I can’t tell if it’s unique to us or if all consulting firms just suck.

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No. But all consulting firms likely have a few toxic people in leadership and that toxicity trickles down and poisons team culture. Culture is set top down. We still have some incredible pockets of groups.

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Absolutely! The leadership is the one who sets the culture within the company

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Sometimes for ZS but there are also a lot of positive posts. ZS has done a lot of good for its employees this year.

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Same for McK

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Same for ACN

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Not the case for Bain when I joined - although as it gets bigger I am starting to see this a little more (although probably much less than at BCG and Mck)

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Same for EY

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We’ve had more of these posts since COVID but generally, not the same for Bain

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Personal experiences will of course vary

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Well you’re at BCG. Is the real life culture actually toxic? Happy employees aren’t likely to post about it online.

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This! also true at PwC

Moved from ATK to KPMG. In general, I have noticed that KPMGers are a lot more relaxed. Of course, people make fun of KPMG as being the smallest and having lesser high profile engagements, but in general, people are happier and there is not as much pressure. (I still work on similar strategy / operational engagements like what I did in ATK, but the ratio is slightly skewed and KPMG is a bit more tools centric on the Digital side)

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Which group/practice are the better ones? I’m in Tech Assurance/Tech Risk Management and this group is absolutely the worst

Thank you for making me appreciate my life choices. 💜

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I left BCG for industry and was happy at BCG until I wasn't. I think the bowls do skew negative. When I was feeling unhappy, it was the only place that felt safe to vent to other BCGers. But the flip side of the coin was that it also tended to amplify my unhappiness.

At the end of the day, it was the lack of WLB that really wore on me. And I also left in the middle levels where I learned of partner pyramids that I had values clashes with, but didn't have enough pull to avoid them entirely.

I ultimately enjoyed my time at BCG and am close to people who stayed. But the water is also warm on the outside 😄

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Worked at several firms over my career. It's impossible to generalize. Firms are huge and nearly everyone's experience is different. It's more dependent on the practice, sector, geography than on an overall firm culture.

Been at firms with amazing cultures where certain practices were dysfunctional toxic hellholes. Been at firms with reputations of being filled with a-holes only to find thoughtful, caring, mentors with whom I am still close.

Also... more importantly... do NOT use anonymous posts as any indication of the overall state of the firm. Studies have shown that disgruntled people are 3x - 5x more likely to post than happy/satisfied employees. As a funny aside, some years ago I did a study for a major auto brand that wanted to understand why public/social feedback on one of their cars was so negative. After research we found consumers loved their cars overwhelmingly but never commented/posted. Something like 3% of their customers accounted for over 85% of the comments/posts. I think posts on TS may have a similar pattern.

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Having been in multiple bowls across multiple firms (left BCG for another firm last year) BCG’s bowl is particularly toxic.

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Same for OW

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@BCG5 Our Korea office closed and there were layoffs for support professionals. No consultants affected but there's a lot of frustration with how these changes were communicated (or not communicated, I should say)

Also people really want to expense their dinners...

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Same for us

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How is the board negative?

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Mixture I’d say. Yes people are more likely to complain on here, so you don’t hear the good stuff. However I’m less vocal about how unhappy I am when talking to colleagues as I don’t want to be seen to be overly negative. One thing to look at, how many people who you thought were happy left?

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Lol my group has had massive turnover and I was never surprised when someone left (had heard a complaint in one form or another from them). It’s bad enough where I am pretty sure everyone has their issues, it’s just a matter of degree. I would say the most brainwashed are the young straight out of college white women. It could be they are treated better as PwC is pushing diversity and women retention. Also I think women are less likely to get harshly critiqued (to their benefit and detriment).

I don’t think posting about wanting to leave -> toxic culture. That’s kind of universal in all jobs.

That said, there are definitely pockets of D that are pretty toxic.

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Not for us :)

The smaller you go, the better. There are good firms out there that prioritize culture. You do sacrifice prestige and (often) compensation, but it’s a trade off.

I worked at a mid sized firm before leaving for industry. The work was interesting, the culture was amazing, and I’d say people generally were very happy there. I worked 45
-50 hours a week most weeks and it was normal. There were of course complaints from people, but not on a huge scale.

You have to decide what you prioritize ultimately.

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