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Start by asking them what the typical range is for this role. They’ll give you a range too, but it won’t be as wide.
I did ask but they flipped it back to me. Argh.
I personally have always deferred this question until the end. I tell them that I don’t have a range in mind yet, I’m more interested in learning about the role and the team, And that you’ll have more clarity once you move further in the process. This you only do if you have a rough idea what the company usually pays for that level.