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I've been interviewing with some companies, and now I have to decide between JPMorgan Chase and Globant.
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It's hard to tell what a firm is like from just a few interviews. Once you realize you're in a bad spot, you can only try moving again.
A3, we might be defining “pretty bad” differently. I meant it to mean that they didn’t ask me in depth questions or bothered to get to know me, and hired me on the spot. They also promised me mentorship and training, which turned out to be all lies. I’m new to the field, so I’m still learning to be street smart in this profession.
To give more context, this place was my dream firm. It’s one of the best and biggest in my area, and I was coming from a rinky dink family run mess. As I found out soon after being hired, my particular group within the firm is highly toxic. Other groups don’t operate like mine does.
Nope, it keeps going. Even in death, we still trade one group of insufferable jerks for another.
After being at a few firms now - from midsize/regional to Big Law - they all have their issues. A big part of it is the law firm model in general is straight up broken. Until we get away from the billable hour as a measure of our value, there's always going to be politics, infighting over clients and credit, inability to dedicate time to actual mentorship/training, and all the other dynamics that tend to make law firm life bleak. I have some optimism it will change eventually, but it will be due to pressure from clients to evolve and likely not something that happens anytime soon.
Yes… and I finally decided to go solo, but have an office in a suite of law offices. Worked out great! No hassles from toxic partners, no financial fights, and scheduling freedom. I also had the collegiality and ability to bounce ideas off other lawyers. Getting and giving referral business was amazing. I made more money and was MUCH happier. That was over 25 years ago..
The misery ends when you go in house and get lucky on that move too
I’ve been wondering this myself. I’m questioning whether the industry as a whole is exceptionally toxic or if that’s just modern day corporate America. My previous firm was good, but still had some really problematic dynamics.
I wonder about that too but then again, I think law firms have been historically exceedingly hierarchical and cut throat. Definitely more JD candidates than ever before but same toxic law firm BS.
A5 - Sorry to hear that especially as a BIPOC. That must be rough.
I read your comments, and I work at a similar firm. I actually really want to know if we are co-workers. I’m at a plaintiff’s firm with toxic boomer bullying and no training. They use firing and KPIs as motivation and pay you terribly for the market. So many of the senior attorneys completely miss deadlines with the court, then have juniors work the weekend to fix it. I hate it here and I wake up wishing I was dead most days.
That sounds miserable. It seems like with these firms, the issues always trickle down. I’m on the defense side, but maybe we’ve crossed paths from opposite sides.
I was at a similar place. I quit with nothing lined up.
What made each firm toxic, start with firm #1 then #2? That matters!
I’m sorry that you’ve witnessed all of this. Certainly, you’re documenting each and every incident! If not, get started immediately. Knowing me, I’d have at least one diplomatic discussion with the partners behaving like this. I’d then memorialize the conversation in an email. If it continued to happen, I’d start looking for a new position.
Specifically, if the “throwing of things at the walls” particularly in my presence continued, I would either consider submitting a disciplinary complaint or calling the authorities! Everyone is going through something. Some partners may even be under the influence of a controlled substance (it happens!!) and I try be reasonable. Perhaps that’s their way of putting the fear of god in me; however, behavior that could lead to my possible injury and inability to perform - will have me putting the fear of god in them with the local authorities. Again, that’s just me. I’ve been in this profession for a minute!