I got interviewed by Apple for a senior engineering manager role and didn't get an offer. They said they need someone with more experience but they thought I'm great and they are going to give me an offer as Sr manager for the same organization but for the QE team. I'm not sure if this is a great way to advance in my career. I'm curious if it's easy to change positions within the company so maybe I gain more experience by taking this role. Any thoughts 😕 #apple #career #growth #engineeringmana

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Unless your career is based in some desire you have to be known for loyalty to a company, for tenure (length of time spent at a company) always keep in mind that companies are not loyal to employees.

Any messaging or hype that they are is because of their collective effort to create a certain culture, to retain employees longer, to reduce turnover, to reduce hiring and training cost, etc.

At the end of the day, all companies are fiscally responsible for staying in business, for making money and reducing costs. Period.

If it's valuable to said company to do that by intentionally working to retain employees or by fostering a culture in which employees perceive the company will always be there for them, they'll do that. However, if/when an employee ever needs to go, or layoffs need to happen, the company will do that.

Every single time.

Point being, what that has to do with your question is that you sound like staying at a company, and their impression of you, actually matters a lot. And that's great if does! I'm not judging your nor criticizing you for that.

What I'm pointing out is that it doesn't actually matter to them and it doesn't matter to most *other* employers if you stay at a company for a long time or a short stint.

Job length really only means that everyone was *satisfied*

Good employers (good hiring managers) only look at length of employment IF they have a concern about you. Then, if short, it's a red flag. Otherwise, no one cares. Many projects are short, many jobs aren't a good fit, many people are quick learners or entrepreneurial and need to move on.

If I want to hire you, and you are great for something we need, I don't care at all if you've had 3 jobs in the last year... Tell me why and if the reason makes sense, let's get to work!

(I still haven't really answered your question and brought this home have I?)

Take the job.

If you need a job, take the job.
And so what if you find another one, a better one, in 3 months??

So what if you get in there and immediately push to move to a better role?

Good for you!!

You don't stay there long because something better comes along?? That's on them, for not hiring you to the job you can do; that's not a negative reflection on you.

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Thank you very much for the reply. This is very encouraging and I do agree that they should have offered me what I wanted and think that I'm a better fit.

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I would not bet on the ability to move once you get there. I think you really need to want the role itself or find it valuable in some way. Don't just see it as a way into the company. I think it's probably better to really excel somewhere else, get the experience, and come back.

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Thank you for the reply. Are you specifically talking about Apple? For example at Google moving to another team is not so difficult, I just don't know much about Apple.

If this is your first FAANG, I say take it and give it a year. If you invest in the role you can move up a bit and maybe then make a lateral move if you put some time in, or you can at least take the experience and run to the next thing.

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Thank you! It is my first FAANG company that's why I'm excited but also don't want to start from the wrong position to make things harder for my growth in the future.

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