I’ve been wrestling recently with my feelings on woke cancel culture. My struggle has been my strong dislike of it and trying to determine whether that comes from a place of anger of not liking something that may actually be good and I could be rejecting it out of my own sinful nature and misunderstanding

I’ve given it some thought, prayed about it and came to some enlightenment as to why I had an issue with it. It doesn’t fit here, but I’ve posted it below. I hope to hear other’s thoughts

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There’s really two issues in play: ‘wokeness’ and ‘cancel culture.’ Like anything else, the concepts can be corrupted. Apologies for not offering Scriptural back for my arguments, but this isn’t a first order issue so proof texting doesn’t always help.

On wokeness you have to deal with CRT - and critical theories in general. I’ve found CRT to be a model that’s instructive and insightful on racial issues. But like any model it’s a description of reality and not reality itself. It’s limited in its explanation and if you view everything through the lens of CRT you get a warped view of the world. Christians are supposed to seek truth as revealed by God so misappropriating a useful model to become the lens through with we see everything shouldn’t be our goal. CRT has helped me better understand things that break God’s heart, but it’s not a complete description of society.

There’s lots of rabbit holes about human anthropology, racial essentialism, generational sin, what is true justice, and so on, but the foundational issue is Sola CRT would undoubtedly lead to sin and error.

Then there’s cancel culture. Put simply, this is just the modern version of heckling and shaming. It’s not about removing abhorrent ideas from the public discourse, it’s about power. You don’t have to be Christian to see this for the toxic behavior it is. Cancel culture has no room for repentance, grace, forgiveness, redemption, or reconciliation. Once you’ve been deemed in violation of an every changing moral code you’re sent out of the camp.

Gods laws are unchanging and forgiveness is always on offer when we repent.

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The biggest part where I’ve wrestled with it has been a view that perhaps despite my feelings, cancel woke culture was at the end of the day trying to spread a mission to make things better and do good by trying to change society and people into doing good. Then I started thinking about whether even if they’re not religious, they could actually be trying to follow what Jesus preached in doing good, not insulting others in any way, trying to be perfect, etc. and I realized they are in a major way actually doing the complete opposite of what Jesus preached in his gospel of love.

Jesus main message was of course loving God with all your might, and loving thy neighbor as yourself, but it also spoke of sin and being good to others. However when Jesus spoke of sin, and doing good, it was on each individual person and it was strongly predicated on not judging others:

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you”

“Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?“

After a woman was brought to the temple to be stoned after being caught in adultery, Jesus said:

“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her”

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I don’t… I believe in complete separation of church and state, and that one of the biggest dangers to Christian’s is trying to mix the government in enforcing Christian (or any religious) law when so many have different interpretations. At the same time I reject and fight against any false religions/pseudo religions that are trying to also influence the government and/or the church

TLDR (don’t like doing this because it misses all the nuance, but some people just won’t read):

I strongly believe cancel culture is trying to spread a mission that is the opposite of Jesus’ love thy neighbor and don’t judge others, instead that mission is to try to find what your neighbor is doing wrong and judge/punish them for it.

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Here are my thoughts, and I agree with those who split “wokeism” and “cancel culture” into two separate topics.

Wokeism: which IMHO really is social progressivism rooted in secular humanism. It’s gaining steam primarily due to the declining Judeo-Christian population in America. Which brings moral decay, which the social progressives then insist that all accept and support, whether it aligns with their values or not.

Cancel culture: exists because when an irreligious population wish to damn someone, they can’t expect it to happen in the afterlife, so they must be damned in this life. It’s also rooted in Marxism—look up struggle sessions.

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You do know Christians and Christian beliefs are public enemy #1 for woke cancel culture right?!

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Isn’t hell the ultimate cancellation? As was the banishing from the garden of Eden?

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Also, isn’t Jesus the ultimate anti-cancellation point? That was literally why he came and died for us, because we are all sinful, yet he came into this world to fulfill the law and live a perfect life as the only spotless lamb without sin in order die in our place

John 3:16-17

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him

Wrestling with this can be difficult, but my thoughts are not to concern yourself with whether work culture is good or bad. There will always be controversial topics.

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