Our HHI is just over $1m and NW is nearly $4m. I’ve always been a DIYer in terms of financial management and have felt well versed in financial / tax management, but I keep wondering if I’m missing something especially now that I’m dealing with a high income and NW. Do you think I should be engaging a pro just to be a second set of eyes? I’m especially worried about tax optimization but wonder if a pro will add value

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Don’t do assets under management. Hire a fiduciary for an hourly rate or set rate. If you think you’ll want to hand over 20 mill plus to kids, then consult an estate attorney as well.

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Ya no way I’m doing AUM based fee structure. Really only considering a one time tax strategist or ongoing CPA relationship

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I think it is worth it, at your level of HHI/NW, there are lots of opportunities for tax optimization that you may not be able to figure out yourself .

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If you engage a tax strategist, I’d do it on a consulting basis only.

At your net worth, a good tax strategy could save you 5 to 6 figures in tax liability. You may also want to explore opening a “family office”.

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I can send a few people to talk to. Feel free to message me. They tend to skew towards a few specific strategies, so I encourage you to get a few other opinions too and figure out what aligns with your goals and risk tolerance.

At 1m income its surely worth paying for some level of help

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Just curious with your #s, how old are you?

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Oh I’m not. That’s combined income between me and my wife. We both work in big tech — its not too uncommon to make half a million at these companies

I do this for a living so my answer is always going to be yes… my clients are HHI/HNW… there are strategies that most people overlook that an advisor can bring to light… with your level of income your paying 37% in federal taxes on every passive dollar, whether it’s deposited into your bank account or not… dividends, interest income, etc… so what’s important is tax placement… trusts, insurance products (life insurance and annuities), donor advised funds… I could go on and on… but you would first need to understand what your goals are long term and work off of that…

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Do you feel like you're where you want to be right now? Are you on the right path? If so, I would just keep doing what you're doing. If you feel like you're falling behind, maybe get some financial advice.

ChatGPT is just as good and unbelievably cheaper. Unless you have zero interest in doing it yourself, would highly recommend.

So you’re saying ChatGPT’s suggestion to leave off any capital gain income from my tax returns because “the IRS will never know” is bad advice??

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I use a CPA for taxes - they get really complicated as income goes up. You need a professional for a trust for estate planning especially if you have kids. I think those things aren’t DIY. The rest is optional. I have investment accounts managed by an advisor and one’s self-managed. One of my advisors is a friend, though not a close one. She sometimes provides helpful input / product suggestions. Most advisors I have met are pretty good at tax planning but generally not that financially sophisticated - they will apply a playbook that is good for most people but you can probably DIY. I met one that was unconventional, but I didn’t have the risk appetite to follow his path…

Similar situation and we self manage. I have explored financial advisory services at various points and while it’s been educational, I have opted not to engage. Don’t let the tax tail wag the dog - decide what your own goals are first. We have some rentals and they have provided us a lot of value over the years

Pay for financial advice and for tax services, but do not pay for financial services.

I think getting started is easier to DIY than planning preservation and retirement. Those are delicate processes with lots of room for optimization, and I do think it's worth paying for advice from someone who has seen dozens or hundreds of sets and reps instead of trying to nail perfection by yourself the first and only time you do it.

Thanks! Any good contacts you can share?

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