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Your experience always comes down to individual team/engagements.
Yes and no.
Salary and benefits come from the firm. Culture is office dependent.
My ranking overall would be: KPMG, PwC, Deloitte and EY dead last.
Anderson treats their employees the best. Been in break for over twenty years.
If you can sell work and build relationships with big clients who pay large fees you will get treated well.
If you have niche industry or niche technical expertise that is scarce and in demand you will be treated well
If you have the right mentors that like you and also have clout you will be treated well.
If you are in a high growth office with lots of opportunity and you do a good job and they cannot afford to lose people you will be treated well.
If you are compliance only, no sales skill, no great relationships and lag in utilization you will not be treated well.
They are all basically the same.
Funny, I would reverse that - EY, D, PwC, KPMG
KPMG by far!!
A lot would differ based on local teams but overall I would say KPMG is best in regards to hours, relaxed culture, team environment.
I would say then PWC and Deloitte. I think EY gives bad vibes overall so not sure where to put them in rankings.
is the big 4.... they all treat their employee like s***
lol. They are all the same
Depends how the employees engage with the firm. takes effort from both sides
no difference. it all comes down to your groups, clients, and people you work with. some are great, others are a sweatshop
RSM credits and incentives was literally a sweatshop. 2 associates doing all the work and pushing things up to 3-4 supervisors for reviews lol. pure dog cr*p
What do you mean by 'treats them better'?
Friendly? Promotions? Benefits? Policies?
Benefits are firm wide, so no difference.
Policies seem to be by office/team/manager/ individual. For an example, pre-Covid in the small market office I was in, WFH was common for some and 'a privilege to be earned' for others.
Office and market size also makes a difference for promotions. In a smaller market/office you might only have 2 new employees start each year. In a smaller office they might only promote one of the two employees ‘on time’. Whereas in a larger office it’s standard that that the whole class that started together gets promoted on the same standard schedule (eg Staff to Senior at 2 years).
Another possibility is that promotions are based on how many people advocate for you at the annual review meeting. The annual promotions/review meeting includes the whole Region. So smaller offices have less revenue % relatively, and therefore less ability to promote.
Market/office size affects work experience too. In a larger market you might have a client so big that you work on it exclusively all year. Or you might get to work on one type of client/activity/part of audit/return. Whereas in a smaller market you have a better chance of working on multiple types of clients, so you will have a more diverse experience.
In general, pwc pays the best but youll have the least wlb because money doesn't grow on a tree and there are fewer people. Theyre also aggressive in culling heads.
Deloitte pays everyone equally so there are less backstabbing but pay is crap.
Ey is between the 2 and KPMG has the most complaints and least money.
Nope. At least in my city, pwc consistently pays 20%+ higher.