After 5 years in big tech, getting laid off shook my sense of loyalty. I always believed long hours, strong results, and being a “team player” meant stability — but it didn’t. Now I’m rethinking how much trust to put in any employer.

In tech, do you think loyalty is ever earned, or is it just temporary alignment of incentives?

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Temporary. Everywhere, not just big tech.

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There is alot of truth in your comments. We were taught that the company rewarded loyalty, determination, sacrifice, etc. But it is based on the culture and not so much as policy. Policy is used only as a tool to get rid of someone who has offended a new manager or the friend of one.

How would you explain working for a major company, when the year before you earned 17-18 power of you awards, with each one worth $25.00 to $250.00. Only to be told the next year with new people new leaders in place that your work is suddenly not up to par.
You find a quality and safety issue that cost the company a good deal of money to pull off the shelves and should have cost a few people their jobs.

Co-workers, many you considered friends, to just turn the other way while you got burned. No longer company loyalty providing the attitude of the bosses only their desire to see you gone. Then about a year later the cover up was exposed and the company terminated the plant manager
Department manager, line manager, not forhaving participated in the cover up, but for being outsiders and convenient.

Loyalty would have come to me and offered my employment back.
I guided my life around loyalty. But not certain I will anymore.

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So temporary and fleeting. I refuse to bend over backwards for a company anymore. Trust no employer.

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Feeling that as well

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Loyalty is one sided. The truth is that your employer can get rid of you at any moment and we’re expected to give 2 weeks. If you stay, do it because you want to—not for loyalty.

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I think after year 5 I decided it's all about me. If I can get more pay vs. COL or more interesting work it's bye bye time. No more loyalty at all. I don't ask for better pay or more interesting work. It's just that one day I never come back. That's what the era of casual layoffs + executive bonuses buys.

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Loyalty generally means nothing for most organisations, When they need to make savings the biggest saving comes from headcount. Many organisations are going through this currently, have done in the past and will do in the future. The old days of a job for life are long gone. No one is indispensable; organisations are ready to lay off people that bring so much more to the organisation than what management will see, years of deep organisational knowledge can be dispensed away with in a blink of an eye. The only thing anyone can do is always keep the CV and or LinkedIn up to date, keep networking all the time and show the loyalty but it will generally always be a one way relationship; every employee is just a number. That will not care about the individual impacts of mass lay off’s.

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I don't put myself out. I do my job during work hours. I'm not available after hours, I don't do unpaid overtime and my only loyalty is to my paycheck. Companies started this. I've been in software for over 30 years. Never been laid off or fired. I'm very good at what I do so I know I can find another job in hours.

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"...I know I can find another job in hours". Likely not today. There's a tech winter going on.

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Doesn't exist, it's an illusion. Worked at a place for over a decade and had exactly zero negative performance reviews. Walked in one day and my position was gone. No option to move to another group, no acknowledgement of my contributions for the last decade, just a "here's your last day, bye".

Company culture benefits the company by keeping you complacent, don't buy into it

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I feel your pain and am very sorry. I had it happen to me, still mad, very mad. I will never work for that company again

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I've been laid off twice in 5 years. I definitely keep upper management at arm's length now. Current manager is friendly, likes to call and talk, but I feel bad staying quiet and taking the bait, since I've survived several RIFs already and see how they're done. It's tough because I like being friends with coworkers and stuff, but last time I was laid off, it hurt that only one person kept in touch with me afterward and did for only a couple months. It's all just temporary.

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*not taking the bait

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It comes down to who your employer is. I would say most of the time, the employer has not earned that loyalty. However, there are companies that do. The employees at those companies tend to stick around way longer, so you can ask during the interview process how long people have been working there and it can help shed some light. No company I've ever worked for has earned employee loyalty, but the one I work for now has.

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Absolutely temporary. I was with my prior employer for 15 years!!! Laid me off with 250 other people when I took a sabbatical (first one ever and could have taken one at 5 years). They dont care how much of your life you sacrifice.

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Temporary.. the only place you have some sense of stability will be with the government. Anything outside of the govt is a house on sticks

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25 years in maintenance and I'm no longer a team player because the team concept doesn't give back and I trust no one at work.
Negotiate the best deal you can for yourself and keep your mouth closed, document everything and HR is not your friend.

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Working in tech for 2.5 years and my dreams were utterly shattered without warning. Loyalty means nothing. They use you, then throw you away.

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I got laid off due to my skin colour in South Africa after the long hours and big results and 2 years of consistent milestone and target achievement for an organisation who had been struggling to achieve any significant results in the discipline for years. There is no such thing as loyalty in big organisations or corporate environments. My mindset has now changed to “its only work” I will never give my full loyalty or 120% again to an organisation again in my life. I will never work the long hours again in my life.

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Build your career and be honest, the right companies will see it and also it guarantees that even if you are fired people will see your effort and qualities.
That is what I do, give your best, be honest and you will always have work and people that will recommend you.

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You have learned a great life lessons.
1: always look out for #1 before someone drops a #2 on you
2: work to live , don't live to work
3: The only person that has job security is the owner (and maybe his son)

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It's always temporary. NEVER get a false sense of security or complacency. Be ready so you don't have to get ready. There is no loyalty but that works both ways.

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Sr. BSA here. Been doing this a long time. I stopped worrying about the layoffs by keeping my options open. I like to keep a good balance of contract gigs that I have done in the past. W2 fulltime with benefits is always the way to go. I got laid off 6 months ago from a company that I thought would be my last job. As soon as it hit, I dialed up a previous contracting company and did not miss a paycheck. Just work hard and don't burn any bridges... Life to short to stress about it..

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Imagine almost 17 years

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Company loyalty stopped being a thing years ago.

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There is nothing like loyalty

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Never..ever trust companies. Everyone is expendable. Honestly i do my job to the best of my abilities, but they get nothing more. Hell they're lucky if I give a 2 week notice because they don't give you one when they let you go.

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