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Any ideas on the pay range for the US Regional Meetings Lead Amgen? I’ve been agency based for quite a long time. I have worked with Amgen previously, currently serving another pharma, but looking to make the leap to the client side. Trying to see if the pay would be worth it at this juncture.
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I’ve had bad female and male bosses. I was more pissed off at my female bosses for being bad bosses because it felt like a betrayal in some way. Like- she knows how much crap women have to deal with so there is no way she would turn around and shovel that same crap onto women coming up behind her, right? In these two cases that come to mind, the women were just pick-me girls with a professional veneer who were doing whatever they thought their male bosses expected.
I’m also very aware that, on some level, we all expect women to act and behave a certain way (particularly socially and emotionally), and the criticism leveled at them is massive if those expectations are violated- even if a man behaves the same way and no one bats an eye. I think if we were honest, that plays heavily into how we assess the behaviors of women in management/leadership positions.
With the bad bosses that I’ve had that are men, I wasn’t nearly as ruffled because I’ve worked with a lot of guys that exhibit those same behaviors to some degree so my reaction was more, “ugh. Typical”.
Hmm interesting. Thanks for being so open and sharing your experience.
I always just laugh at "I'll never work for a female boss again". No one who has a terrible boss who happens to be a man jumps to the same conclusion. It's entirely because there aren't enough women in leadership yet that people think like this.
Hundred percent!!
I’m ashamed to say I preferred male bosses until my most recent experience. My current boss is the best I’ve ever had. Her business acumen and emotional intelligence is exceptional. She’s loved by her team and highly respected by top male and female leadership across the organization. She hasn’t mentioned wanting to seek a promotion or retire, but the day she leaves will be a sad day for many.
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why it hearts? worse bosses in my life were women, best bosses men.
That's so good to know! And yes, I agree! Even between two women, there can be zero similarities. Generalizations are very baseless.
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I don’t think the gender of your boss matters lol. I have had horrible male bosses and amazing female bosses and also vice versa. Gender has nothing to do with it.
Agreed! :)
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As a woman with no children, I usually like male bosses better.
Same - more to talk about, honestly
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actually i discuss now with my psychologist the topic of aggressive *pain in the ass* female bosses in their 50-s or 60-ties and at the end everything comes back to childhood..
so for those who think female bosses r worse - look into bossy women in your childhood, for those who think male bosses are worse, look into men fugures in your childhood
actual bosses are just triggers
Not always. Some are legitimately bad independently of anything I have going on internally.
I will admit that I have had much better experiences with male bosses. It is sadly to the point that if I interview with a would-be female boss, I question how our dynamic will be.
Eg: will she be threatened by my knowledge/expertise? Is she cliquey or gossipy? Is she an advocate for other women? Will she judge me because I don’t have kids but she does? Etc.
I hate to admit this, but these things do run through my head and I never think about such questions with a potential male boss. With a male boss I’m concerned about mansplaining and having to prove my competence more, but that’s about it. I would rather prove my competence than have someone not acknowledge it.
I was talking with a friend the other day about women in leadership and how it has shifted over the years and decades.
The fact that women didn’t get credit cards until the 70s, were expected to wear ties in the office in the 90s and had to put up with a ton of crap during the tech growth… I know - it wasn’t the same everywhere.
I’m shocked more women aren’t acting like a crusty, grumpy, bossy, sharp, and cold as ice individual that folks had to be to “lead”.
The females in leadership that I have had conflicts with or considered a “bad boss” - have portrayed themselves like this character above. And even years later, I still have little or no clue how interact with this personality type.
Based on the past toxic experience, I still have panic attacks if I see it displayed by either gender now.