Hey all, I’ve been struggling lately with misogyny - I feel my direct reports (some of them, not all of them) don’t take me seriously (only when I am super strict or when they have serious consequences; eg: having a low evaluation because they don’t complete tasks) is there any advise you can give me to make this better? If any? I notice that unfortunately being younger and a women is not an advantage to us as a leader 🥹

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at
Highlighted IconHIGHLIGHTED

I am a woman and have had none of this. Quit blaming others and be accountable. If you are a manager, act like a manager. You be accountable and hold the people that work for you accountable. Communicate with your team weekly and set clear expectations. Listen to their issues and help them overcome them. If someone you manage isn’t doing their job then you aren’t doing your job. Be a support, a mentor, a guide and firm. Talk to your boss and see what you can do to improve yourself and your team. Communicate clearly. Put expectations in writing. If you have tried everything then maybe you need to replace people on your team.

likehelpful

Exactly! Well meant but HR is So far from reality

like

Girl don’t feel too bad, unfortunately it’s not just a mysogynistic attitude these days. I’ve also experienced lack of respect, even from younger, less experienced arrogant females. It will get better, just be confident, hold people accountable, be consistent and don’t let little things slide out of convenience. Honestly… employees that don’t get along with each other and also work hard don’t last long, I’ll either manage them out or they end up leaving, I have had to fire a couple of them… it’s important to nurture a good healthy working environment and I don’t let a few or even one bad egg affect the whole bunch. The good employees will appreciate you protecting the wellness of the unit!

Agree with the previous post about brushing up on leadership skills and techniques! I’m always seeking to learn! Some good humility and hunger to learn and grown will let you where u want to be!

likehelpful

The truth is, the longer you let bad eggs stay, the more you have allowed it and even a team of high performers will see that it’s okay to act that way. If you can’t get the one anchor dragging you down to start rowing the boat, you can wind up with an entire team of anchors and you’ll be going nowhere.

helpful
Recent IconRecent

As a woman in a male dominated industry - I’d assume misogyny isn’t the case. There’s a lot of steps you can fix before assuming sexism, and if you’re having this issue across all of your direct reports, your gender likely isn’t the issue. Maybe read some leadership books to get a different perspective - 4DX Execution by Steven Covey is my current read and I’m loving it. I’m not sure if that’s the exact title, but if you Google it, I’m sure you can find it.

like

Are there other female leaders you can connect with at your corporation to advise? I did at my previous job and it was helpful and validating. I was dealing with a condescending, older male exec who angrily accused me of “telling him what to do” in a carefully formatted and clear email even though I was following directives from male execs who communicated the strategy in an all hands meeting moments before. When I calmly asked what I could do better in the future, he reread out loud what I said and realized my email was all passive language filled with please, thank you, and even a friggin happy face. Keep in mind, the men on this sales team never spoke politely in emails and often didn’t use punctuation or complete sentences.

Misogyny does exist in the workplace and women most often uphold patriarchy too. It’s really stunning to see how other women don’t believe each other and refuse to support each other even in anonymous spaces

like

Umm I am not viewing the world through a lens of misogyny and I assure you that the best male execs in my field are strong communicators who express gratitude and emotions like human beings. It is a double standard for women not to be able to communicate that way. You are twisting yourself to a patriarchal ideal of a world where kindness and empathy are viewed as flaws while ALL current studies in leadership prove otherwise. Maybe you should read the Harvard Business Review or literally any other literature about modern business skills and you won’t have to pretend to be curt and ungrateful in your own role with others to fit some mediocre man’s example. Just because something is not your experience does not mean other women’s experience is not valid or that we are being victims

likeuplifting

Be careful with the misogyny viewpoint and the us vs them - that will not help. You need invest tine in understanding each report and why some are taking your direction seriously and why others are not. It may be because you are not respected by them as a leader, not because you are a younger woman. FYI younger woman eventually age into middle aged women and then god forbid older women. Unlike our male counterparts, after 40 you start to become invisible and obsolete so you need to developed this skill while you can.

likehelpful

OP - in the same boat as you. It depends a lot on company culture. I have 25+ years of experience at the big 4. I was always taken seriously. Now moved to tier 2, and there is one person in my team that completely ignores my coaching and asks. They have been with the co for many years and gotten by without doing much work. I have applied all sorts of strategies - positive and negative , this person is just stubborn beyond reason. At the same time, I have had to deal with their attitude , behavioral issues and poor performance and tread carefully as I am still establishing my own credibility.

helpfullike

This is exactly what I am experiencing from two managers that report to me.

like

Hi!
Here’s an additional perspective I´d like to offer in addition to all the comments you’ve gotten already:
while we cannot control what others think and do, we can always think about what is within your control to improve/change the situation.
You might want to reflect on some points:
- what are the facts about the situation here? You might “feel that they dont take your seriously” - what factual info do you have to support that? What makes you feel that way? Try to be as specific as possible.
- what has been working so far overall in your relationship with your direct reports & why? What hasnt been working & why? Based on your answers, what can you do more/less of and what can be done differently from now on?
- trying to be as objective as possible, what do you think about your leadership style/behaviour/communication makes them act in a certain way?
- what kind of relationship would you like to have with your Team?
- what do you need to improve/change to create such a relationship? What do they need to improve & change?
- have you had a chat with your Manager? What’s their input?

I would start by answering these questions.

Now, pls remember - all these questions are <not> meant for you to criticise yourself but rather to help you see what can be done differently to get to where you wish to be :)

Hope this helps and wish you all the best! You’ve got this!

Btw, if you’d like to chat further, feel free to message me/connect on LI.

likeuplifting

Although misogyny is everywhere sometimes we let our feelings snow ball a situation.. I would recommend noting the scenarios which made you feel worse and play it back when ur calm.. if your pissed even after the situation has passed then have a conversation in open forum that xyz doesn’t sit well and you don’t appreciate being treated that way..

If you have to super strict if you need things done then it talks about the culture a lot.. Try taking bigger picture view and understand team dynamics..

We don’t have to walk around egg shells.. I’ve been fortunate to work with teams who valued my skill set more than my age.. I was leading a multi million dollar project at the age of 25.. Never faced any team who took me for granted due to my age or gender.. I learnt it’s totally due to my company culture n how we address each other.. I recommend introspection n work with your team n ask them point blank.. we can only speculate what’s goes on day to day.. ur the best person to judge.. communication is key..

like

My last job my boss was the same age as my kid. So many people were disrespectful to him because of his age. I told him he worked hard to get into a leadership position and he deserved that. The sooner he realized it the sooner everyone else would too. Have confidence in yourself and carry yourself as the leader you are and you will start to see a change in the people under you.

like

F

like

Revolut is famous for a very bad work culture so this comes as no surprise. Everyone there puts down everyone else, nothing to do with gender. You gotta fight it, else you will end up leaving.

like

Are you practicing Lean 6 sigma?

funny

Following

I would suggest finding another female manager within the company but not in your direct reporting up to the ceo and see if she would mentor you.

When I walked in at 25 to build a department, I was called all sorts of things by my connecting departments. Totally not cool but I just did my job and proved that I could earn their trust.

The suggestion I have is listen to what your reports are telling you. It could be to stop the please and thank you and passiveness in emails. It could be that folks need visual diagrams to do things. Or you just have bad eggs.

Just like there are different love languages. There are different work languages. Some folks like direct instruction; others like stories. Most folks I work with do not want to sit in a meeting listening to corporate speak.

Can you give examples on how they don't take you seriously?

I've had similar struggles. In my case, I'm a Xennial (but look younger) and my struggles have been with Millenials and Gen Z. What I've found to be helpful is to give more context and explanations around tasks/requests, forward them escalation emails to show them the ramifications when they don't listen/follow directions and make them demonstrate that they clearly understand processes. Sometimes if they don't understand the "why" or they don't trust why there is a process in place, I've found they're more apt to go rogue.

Related Posts

Are people still live on here? I was diagnosed last year with ADD and I’ve tried two stimulants so far. I know they aren’t meant to be a magic pill but I’m still struggling with general tasks and feel like I’m doing the bare minimum. The Nurse has suggested I try non stimulants. What are peoples experiences with meds ? Did they work or not?

like

For those who've done Lasik in Chicago, any recommendations? I'm debating between LasikPlus and Kraff

like

Will try to keep this short - After parents visited a few months and I visited India and left, i feel like a void, everyday i feel like a machine with my mind still back home. Though its been a month

like

Any massage recs in downtown/Back Bay/Southie? Looking to go with my roommates to treat ourselves, but I also have some upper back/neck pain. Is massage envy any good or are there better options that aren’t crazy expensive?

Can anyone suggest a good therapist in dt Toronto for someone in their 20s?

like

When does the pain go away after a hysteroscopy and HSG? I’m 30 hours past and still in quite a bit of pain on either side of my abdomen.

Have you had thoughts of quitting the job during pregnancy? My tolerance of low efficiency and meaningless grind is getting so low that it’s a constant thought in my mind. Does this get better later in the pregnancy?

like

Confirmed 1st BFP after almost 1yr TTC. Scheduled the prenatal visit for Sept. Anything I should do (or not do) in the early weeks / Anything that might be surprising but is normal? TIA!

like

I’ve been working on making small conversations to strangers as a way to manage my social anxiety and to try to meet people the old-fashioned way, but it’s so nerve-racking. Any tips?

like

Too much noise out there - can someone confirm or deny whether the US Government funded gain of function research related to Covid?

likehelpful

Recently I underwent surgery ,do we have option to show unreimbursed amount which is not covered under insurance for tax exemption

like

Is anyone spending an abundant amount of time evaluating and tracking quarantine cases, attending internal Covid updates and other tasks associated with Covid at work ?

like

Hi Fishes,

I am looking for a new job!! Any help or guidance would be appreciated. I have been in a depression for a few months and need to change for the better.
I have 5 years of experience in the customer industry and have worked in logistic operations, tech support, hospitality & insurance...

Thanks in advance.

I'm just looking for a stable job, so I can manage my house & expenses.

like

Has anybody availed term insurance policy (ICICI Pru)? Is it really worth taking?
I got married last year, my wife is working and i have a single parent, who is a government servant herself. Seeing a lot of unfortunate scenarios around makes me scared at times and i am giving thoughts to such back-up options these days
Please suggest?

like

Sick of people saying don't wear a mask. Wear a mask people, if you have one. The CDC says only wear them when you are sick. But isn't that the tricky part of Covid19? That you can be asymptomatic?

like

Anyone know where I can do walk-up COVID test around Lakeview/Lincoln Park? CVS wouldn’t let me sched bc I have no symptoms but want to get tested as I was just out of state and have to see family

like

Do you think Post-Covid when offices reopen will you able to adjust back to work?

like

Anyone else basically become comatose on either Saturday or Sunday when you get a weekend without work? I have all of these things I’d love to do, but as soon as my brain understands that I don’t have to work, it’s like I completely lose all energy. It’s making me feel bad about myself. Any tips?

like

I’m scared I’ll end up being alone. I’ve truly enjoyed being single all this time but as time passes by, I keep thinking to myself that something must be wrong with me that I’m not in a relationship. I also don’t feel confident being on dating apps since I gained weight during the pandemic (about 30 lbs). I’m holding off on dating until I get into better shape but I’ll be 27 by then and I feel like I’ll be too old to put myself out there.

like

More Posts

I own two small companies, 1.5million in sales combined. Owned them for more that 20yrs. Getting older and thinking of selling, would like to sell by end of 2025.

Not sure how to go about selling. Any ideas?

like

Hi all. I am trying to determine if I am being compensated fairly. I am a tax manager (about to start my second year as manager) and have been with EY since staff 1. I was promoted to manager in June 2020 (during covid) and received a 7.5% raise. The class above me has mentioned they received much higher raises during their promotion years. My base salary is now approx. 97K. Any insights would be extremely helpful. Thanks!

like

Is EY SaT going back to office? All the job posting in the LinkedIn now showing on-site....

like

When does cognizant roll out offer letters after submitting cdf1 form? Is Diwali delaying the roll out of the offer letter? I submitted cdf1 on 21st October.

like

Hello,fishes!(1YOE-SDET)
I'm trying to attend several interviews. My current CTC is <10LPA, therefore even if I switch jobs and am offered a package that is 40%–50% higher than my current CTC, my new income won't be much higher than 12LPA–13LPA. However, I am on the lookout for even better ones. So, if there is a negotiation, can I mention to HR that I already have an offer of at least 12 lpa and persuade them to give me more? Will this ruse succeed? Or will they demand to show an offer letter?

likesmart

I have a awesome design for luggage that is designed for people that usually fly first class. It keeps all clothes in travel on straight during any flight and optimizes the use of first class luggage

like

Fishes,

Does anyone know about the IAAP diploma in IFRS?

IAAP is an awarding body in UK.

My doubt is, does the value of the certificate of IFRS change depending on the Institution?

Will a person who cleared IFRS from IAAP have same value as a person who cleared IFRS from ACCA?

Thanks in advance

like

What do you think of the current job market in Germany? Do you think it has taken a hit because of the inflation? How do you think a company plans towards recruiting in the current situation?

like

Hi Fishes ,

I am an FE with 7.1 yrs of exp looking for a change. So far I've seen the packages are boxed at 30lpa at my exp and Angular framework, I Have some exposure to AWS devOps as well. Can anyone guide if there is something missing in my profile or if I am not getting the right opportunity (excluding MANG from this discussion)

like

It’s Wednesday! How we feeling? Any tea? Heard stealth layoff are happening but not 100% sure if it actually happening.

like

Any recommendations for good last minute ticket deals for Orlando Disney and Universal theme parks?

I just joined a non-dream company as a 10+ years experience guy. My friend working in my dream company forwarded a job requirement from his internal postings. I want to give it a try but in case I get selected how hard or bad would it be to quit current company? I want to know what consequences I should be ready to face. Can someone please advice?

like

My joining date in axtria was 11th july.. but i got a mail today that it has been extended to 8th august. My notice period is going to end on 7th july. Is there anyone whose joining got extended?

I only have limited time in Copenhagen, and can only choose between Glyptoteket or National Gallery of Denmark. Which one would you recommend and why?

like

Hello everyone,

I am Actively looking for job in Pune. I am having 7 years of experience in BI tools like Tableau and SAP Business Object.

If there any openings please share my profile.

DM me for details.

like

Hi Guys, Please help me in unlocking the messaging feature. Need 11 likes....

like

Hello All, one of the renowned market research company is looking for Industry/Senior Industry analyst position. Eligibility: Minium 7 years of experience as a market researcher in Electronics/Semiconductor/sensor domain.

Anyone working with GlobalData?

like

What things have you stopped doing since the Pandemic that you think you won't go back to? I am giving up Manicures

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal