How does it work with recruiters? I had one call me yesterday (a friend referred her to me) about a specific position, but after chatting for a half hour, she had a bunch of other ideas for potential opportunities for me. We are going to reconnect after the new year. Does she just send me job opps? I don’t pay her, right? Can she help me redo my resume? Is she like my personal shopper for getting a new job?

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Important thing to remember is that they work for the hiring company, not you. So, using your analogy, they're the personal shopper for the company hiring. You are one of the pairs of jeans they may recommend, so the company can try you on to see if you fit.

It's in their interest to bring the best candidates to their clients (the companies), so you can get the best out of recruiters by being a great candidate.

Oh and always be upfront with them about any direct-to-the-company intros or dealings you have had or have. They get paid by bringing new talent in. If the company can claim that they found you another way, recruiters don't get paid. And talk to a couple or so (they have access to different jobs) but never try to be tricksy with them, or coy. Not fair, and likely to backfire and get you a bad name with that recruiter (and possibly more).

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Super helpful, thank you!

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Recruiters typically get paid 15-25 % of your annual salary if they find you a placement.
It's in their interest to find you a job and you don't pay them.

Since you are pretty senior and your comp should fairly high they may help you prep for interviews and help out with the resume. So, wouldn't hurt to ask, but they don't have to.

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Ah ok well that makes sense as to why she talked about getting me the highest possible salary! Since it’s in her best interest too. Thanks!

Something to be aware of: Sometimes recruiters spew off a list of agencies that they think would interest you. Once you say that you're interested, that means that they now represent you to those agencies. So, if the in-house recruiter of any of those agencies reaches out, you need to disclose that such 'n such talked to you about this job. Never let an outside recruiter spew out a bunch of names. If you get a job at any of those places without the outside recruiters help within the next 6 months, that recruiter will hit up the company for their pay. It's just a nasty game. Only go with a recruiter for a specific position.

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⬆️ THIS. absolutely this. Another reason to try to work with 1-2 of the most reputable, best recruiters you can find - NOT get locked into the first that reach out to you.

Remember - you're the jeans, not the shopper.

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I could be wrong, but I believe they work for recruiting agency, which various big companies pay for to get word out about their positions, and earn money for every job they fill so that’s why they’re eager to help?

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Recruiters are hired by companies to send them candidates. They get paid by the company. You don’t pay her.

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It depends if they are a recruiter that is under contract with a company to fill a role (the only kind I will work with), or one who is fishing and who works on commission. Know that if you use the latter, if a company wants to hire you and the recruiter has already presented that job to you- there is a dis incentive to hire you as they have to pay the recruiter a "finders fee" of 10-15% of your salary. And know they don't work for you. They work for the company that hired them so treat them like every conversation is an interview. They may do lengthy interviews and then keep you on file. And whenever they are looking for someone they go to that file and your comments will be in there. So be truthful but open. And a great tip someone shared with me is to always respond to recruiters for while you may not need them today, when you are out looking for a job, they will remember that you used your network to help them. Recruiters will not help you with your resume. But they may give you tips on what the hiring company is looking for so you can perfect your "elevator speech"

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@OP - that example you gave is a perfect one to be clear upfront that you've already been in touch w that agency, and even more specifically, for that role.

If they present you somewhere as fresh talent, but the place already knows you, it'll get messy and ugly about paying commission or not.

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Recruiters work for the company that hires them to fill a position. But, it is absolutely in their best interest to present you in the best possible light, because any candidate the agency hires through them will come with their fee, so you would be more expensive. After meeting with the recruiter, I've told them that I would like to send a revised resume or that I'd be revising my portfolio based on our discussion. They were more than happy to send whatever updated info I wanted. I've also asked them specific questions on what they think the agency is looking for, what kind of work they'd like to see, and what they think the compensation range would be. I find recruiters to be pretty forthcoming with me.

Be careful though: Great recruiters will be on the up and up; terrible ones will shop you around without your permission, and try and get the fees for referring your name. Be sure to tell that them you only want your resume submitted to a specific position that you've discussed with them, and that you are selective in your search and who you're willing to work with or for. You don't want your name thrown around, because you are still employed. Etc etc.

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I’m super impressed you got to SVP without recruiters!

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it is what it is - just know if you’re going client side, they’ll expect you to knock it down a rung or two.

simple litmus test - ask for the job description of any position being discussed. if it’s a legit recruiter and a legit opportunity, they’ll have it [might even be on their website] minus the name of the employer.

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