Regarding insane working hours: what if creatives unionized?

Just curious what y’all think.

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AD 1 You can be successful, make phenomenal award-winning work and not work yourself to a mental health break. Literally think of all the phenomenal design, art and literature that comes out of Europe and the fact that they have the best work life balance. You even try to pull the typical shit you do in NYC in Amsterdam and you’re a sociopath. Yes in New York it’s a given you’ll work your ass off but plenty of new and great agencies do not follow the work to death model, it doesn’t always produce great work and to assume so is naive.

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Then to the last paragraph in my original comment I’ll add another suggestion: move to Europe.

I haven’t worked outside of the country before but that’s a great point.

I’m genuinely curious to know who is doing great work here with very few hours. Do you know of any agencies first hand?

Go ahead. They’ll just find freelancers.

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Let’s do it

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If I was forced to unionize I'd probably find a different industry to work in.

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Cool, more room for the rest of us!

All the work would probably go in-house. It would accelerate the death of the agency model. Salaries might shrink to account for more freelance talent.

Sometimes longer hours are just what it takes to bring work to the next level. It sucks ... but it happens at the highest level of any industry — not just advertising. If you’re in a top agency, then you’re in the big leagues. There’s a higher expectation that comes along with that.

If the hours are seriously getting to you, maybe move to a slower-paced (probably less notable) agency. An agency in a smaller city with local accounts would be more relaxed, for instance. Or do writing that isn’t as creative. Something like web copy, which probably isn’t as rewarding but it will give you better work/life balance.

I think it's a good idea if it was done like SAG-AFTRA (Screen Actors Guild‐American Federation of Television and Radio Artists).

Basically every major Hollywood star is a member or supporter of SAG, and if a show or film wants to feature a star, then by contract all the employees and freelancers must be SAG or they don't get to have the major Hollywood actor.

If creatives did this, they would have to for example at BBDO Greg Hahn would support it by contract, then all the freelancers and creative staff would be required to be members. But then BBDO would just replace Hahn.

So we would need a full-on revolution where *all* the top dog creatives at every major agency joined in, at the same time, to force agencies to let it happen. I'm just not seeing it.

I used to think this was a worthwhile idea. But I think unions usually support industries that aren’t as high-paying as advertising. We make so much more $ than the average worker, it seems silly to unionize.

My feelings regarding long hours changed when I rethought how I approach money. I don’t make money to support a nice lifestyle, I make money to save and buy freedom, so especially if I’m being paid overtime, throw me those hours! Even if you’re full time, try to frame it as a temporary phase

I’ll amend the above—I think a lot of agencies are screwing creatives with the gig model, like keeping people permalance without benefits, or churning freelancers so they don’t have to staff and pay benefits, or using blood suckers like Creative Circle. That’s a better reason to unionize than long hours. Personally I’d like a nation-wide strike against staffing agencies. Let’s lock arms and kick them out

Involuntary permalance should be illegal if the agency got the talent by implying a promise of a full-time job. Time to write to some legislative representatives...

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