Sometimes I think “we have a great culture” is just recruiter-speak for “we’ll destroy your work-life balance, but we’ll do it nicely.” I joined a firm where everyone smiled through interviews, promised flexibility, and talked about balance. Six months later, I 'm billing 70 hours a week and answering midnight emails from those same smiling faces. Law firms have mastered the art of selling burnout as belonging. What’s the most misleading line you’ve ever heard in recruiting?

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“We have work/life balance” = “You’ll bill 90% of the hours for 60% of the pay”

See also: “We work hard but we play hard” = “We work hard and mask our desperation with alcoholism”

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Every time when they say we expect 24/7 during the interview, I know this job is not for me.

Why are you billing 70 hours a week?

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I had the opposite happen - I was warned that the teams I’d be supporting were very difficult and that there were a lot of challenging personalities, but ended up working 9-4 most days with a lot of decent people and a great team.

Sure, my first week a marketer stormed into my office to question my legal guidance on something and my boss had to pull her out, and my first month I ended up having to shut down a heated argument from someone on another team I support and “upset them” to the point that they cancelled our 1:1s.

But so far it’s been great despite ample warnings even in the interview stage.

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