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PMs actually work closely to the product, and the closer you are to the product, the more you get paid

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That's the best explanation really

Tech is built by SWEs, PMs and TPMs. Without the above, there’s no need for bizops.

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Is it that hard though?

I’ve been a management consultant too and telling a client that they have x or y problems isn’t exactly hard. Giving me an executable solution is hard.

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PMs at Meta decide Strategy of the product, it’s like our 75% of the job. Hence they are a powerful lot.
We take TPMs help for execution.
No one cares about Bizops quite honestly here

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It depends on the company, I've heard Facebook BizOps is not very important

Because the product + product strategy and how you’re building it is more important than business strategy decks saying that you should do something lol

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As someone who’s been on both sides of the equation (transitioned from Strategy to PM), I’ve seen a couple things:

1) PMs produce tangible outcomes (like a factory owner) in the form of actual revenue generating or cost saving products, whereas Strategy usually generates information / data exhaust. It could be amazingly quality data, but the person who actually delivers something that works will be paid the most.

2) PMs clock a lot more time typically. Yes, in Strategy you do have that board presentation and next deck coming up, but in PM, you might be firefighting at 7 PM on live and helping resolve those highly visible Product issues plaguing the customer.

3) YMMV. At my company, Strategy was way smaller and had less influence on actual decisions than PM. It was pretty dysfunctional but I hear similarly at a lot of other companies.

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Yeah. I don't get it either. I guess it's naturally seen as higher up the ladder.

Because we’re part of the org that develops products which are the backbone of the company. No product strategy & execution. No future for the company. We’re also kind of the hub in the wheel.. more info flow about the company runs through the Product organisation than almost any other function.

Y’all are an enabling function who come in to support execs on “initiatives” or “planning”. A nice to have in good times but a mostly unneeded and outsourced task in others

We are not the same

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