Why is alcohol still such a big part of law firm culture? Every networking event, client dinner, and team celebration seems to revolve around a bar tab. I don’t mind a glass of wine, but it feels like the default bonding ritual is drinking—sometimes to excess. It’s awkward for people who don’t drink, and honestly, it blurs the line between professional and personal in ways that don’t always feel healthy.

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Be the change you wish to see. At the next event, whip out a joint and pass it around

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Which is nearly always substandard swill you can barely choke down, at least on the wine side (unless you have a wine pairing event with knowledgeable distributors).

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I am almost two years sober but my descent into alcoholism was pretty easy given the abundance of alcohol at events and the social norms around enjoying nice wine and whiskey recreationally and as a way to destress from work. I went from experimenting with nice whiskeys to finishing a half bottle of bourbon a night over the course of 5 years. COVID really escalated it too. I tend to use my young kids as my public reasoning for why I don’t drink anymore, but the truth is that I’ve been in AA and just got to a point where I couldn’t stop drinking every day without intervention.

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Because alcohol is an extremely effective social lubricant and people enjoy drinking it. I have personally never once heard someone comment negatively about someone who does not drink.

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Apparently that does happen and there is a pressure around it. I've heard that people apparently do judge that privately in NYC and in BigLaw atmospheres but I've never been a drinker (alcoholic father who was an A-hole drunk and said "one day, you'll be just like me") and haven't had to go off on very many people about it. One lawyer did once say to me that he knew why I didn't drink (according to him, it was because my personality was so great, I didn't have to).

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Same reason they gave a shot of whiskey to soldiers when they received battlefield amputations: it dulls the pain, and law firms are pain.

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Especially firms that practice family law...sucks!

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From a recovery perspective, common advice is to not volunteer you’re not drinking. Just keep a club soda in your hand and no one will know the difference.

You can’t control what others do, but you can control what environments you put yourself in and how much information you disclose. I typically avoid the heavy drinking afterparty phase of a work outing because meaningful connections typically don’t happen then anyway.

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At least, none they’ll remember the next morning. Which is probably all for the better.

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The drinkers really won’t care if you’re not drinking. They’re drunk after all. Just get a glass of something so you have something to hold while in conversation

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Generally true, but unfortunately not always, in my experience. I have a particular senior associate who spends firm events heavily pressuring me and others to drink.

Thankfully, I was a loser in high school and developed a resistance to peer pressure early 😂, so I just smile and drink my water. (I do drink, just often don’t feel like it, and don’t love drinking at work events).

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I started drinking way more in law school because of the networking events. And then I went to two big firms and would drink way too much and often at firm events/retreats/after work gatherings. Then I went to a small remote firm and that all stopped and I don’t do any networking or bar events. My life is way quieter now. I know some of it is my issue and I still drink. But I’m happy I’m not getting drunk 2-3 nights a week with other attorneys. I’ll never go back to that.

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This isn’t unique to law

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Yes - this is the norm in most professions and especially highly paid professions.

It’s unfortunate but true and sad. I don’t care to partake in drinking with my coworkers at parties. You totally see a different side of people that can be undesirable for sure. When I did property management, we had a ONE drink maximum when going out for dinners and celebrations, just to keep it professional. I prefer that!

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Easier than having a personality!

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I often get asked this question as in addition to my role in-house I am PT faculty (contract, not adjunct) at a 4 year school. I serve as the mock trial coach, pre-law advisor and teach some classes. I have found the current generation of undergrad, while they still largely drink, do it far less across the board than we did. There are more "sober" students and both current undergrads and my advisees that have gone onto law school frequently ask me this question.

I think it has to do largely with the fact that the study and practice of law is highly stressful. Many of us turn to booze early in our careers at the end of long weeks to "blow off steam". For many of us (myself included) at certain points in our careers this "weekend de-stresser" carried over into other days. I started off as a litigator with an AMLAW100 firm, during peak times of the litigation process it wasn't unusual for me to have "one drink" every night often while working. And I was far from alone. Many of us recognize this as a problem and quickly work to temper it, but there is a reason that the most common disciplinary and ethics issues for attorneys in most jurisdictions are alcohol related.

As I have grown older (I am currently in my mid-40's) I know more and more attorneys that at those functions you talk about are in reality drinking a club soda and lime, and a coke on ice, or even an NA beer. They don't advertise it, and only a few people may know, but its more common than you think. And as some other commenters have mentioned, even when it is known it isn't like they are looked down upon. Because any lawyer that has practiced for any length of time understands why it is being done and has probably been there.

The other factor here is there is a reason alcohol is free when you are gambling in Vegas or AC and on many cruise ships and other locations when not prohibited by law. It lowers inhibitions. Many of the organizations you talk about are nonprofits (I sit on the board of many) alcohol at our events is generally a big boon to increasing bids at auctions or silent auction events. It also lubricates the wheels of social interactions. While some organizations have started to offer more "sober events", alcohol is generally seen as a part of universal culture. It isn't just the legal profession. It is pervasive in most major events (weddings, funerals, gatherings) irrespective of religion or ethnic creed. There are admitted exceptions to this, but we in the legal profession have gotten it honest by most accounts.

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Totally accurate and that was one reason I left a particular job aside from the owner violating ethics rules. Most of the people I worked with were heavy drinkers and smokers and I felt if I stayed, I'd eventually become that despite being a nondrinker (having an emotionally abusive alcoholic father who gets into fights when drunk will do that to you).

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I think because people are ultimately unhappy in the profession and also home life. I tend to shy away from those events but I am aware this is what the culture does. The minute I did do it things got toxic and peoples true colors came out.

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Ay that’s when you learn the details that may inform how to play the politics.

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We have a ways to go but I’m finding more and more there is a sensitivity for non-drinkers. More people are choosing sobriety for health reasons as opposed to religious ones. This seems to make it more acceptable. Lots of bars offer mocktails now where they never used to.

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Because you can’t become a lawyer without passing a bar. I’ve found the drinking to be optional and that people respect boundaries. Really most hosts just want to know you are having a good time and enjoying their hospitality, so drinking something non-alcoholic is fine if you are bringing the same enthusiasm and energy.

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I think it's every high-stress industry. I was a funeral director for many years and it was the same for all events I went to. Whats more is that funeral service professionals have some of the highest percentage of cirrhosis diagnosis. Seems the same in law. Basically, the events are everyone's excuse to "cut loose" "take a load off", "let their hair down", etc. What better way do adults use to do that than alcohol ? I say, if it's not for you, don't partake. People talk anyway. Jist make sure you don't let opinions have you out here making choices you aren't comfortable with. This isn't high school. Peer pressure only has as much power as you give it.

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Guilty! When someone tells me they don’t drink, I want to no more! I do make it a point to make sure the person who doesn’t drink gets shots of Diet Coke or something cute.

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You really want to hear about my “health reasons” then get into my complicated relationship with my alcoholic dad then my own problems with alcohol? Not really a good topic for a happy hour. Please stop.

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To take the edge off

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If your professional and personal aren’t already blurred you aren’t working hard enough to call yourself a real lawyer.

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Or you see through that BS and aren't a lawyer robot but actually have a life, interests and people who care about you outside of Law Land.

A normalized coping mechanism to tolerate the law firm lifestyle, full stop.

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And to that, I say fix the lifestyle and culture that drives people to drink in the first place.

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I always had questions about that myself. When I appear at a small professional social gathering with a 4-pack of Martinelli’s, some are glad to see that while others reach for the beers.

Let me be honest here. The first time I heard of lawyers drinking on a regular basis was in law school years ago as a 1L. On the chalkboard in one of the classrooms was an announcement for “bar review” and I actually thought that referred to bar prep for the 3L’s who were sitting for the bar in the summer. I was immediately given an education on what that announcement meant.

If you’re told in law school that drinking on Thursday evenings is the way to “take the pressure off” and to network with others, once you’re in the firm environment, it’s a hard habit to break. Is there a way for law students to socialize and network without alcohol? I believe so, but it will take a change in the mindset! Your thoughts?

I was in the evening section in law school. Most of those people had kids and full time jobs and responsibilities so they couldn't get hammered on Thursday nights. Maybe there should be an age or maturity minimum for being a law student so it's not just a continuation of hard drinking college days.

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