Anyone take a massive class cut when moving firms (3+ years)? Got an offer but as a fifth year instead of 8th. I’m not surprised by the offer (better firm, better group, etc.), but it’s a hit to the ego. I know that going to a firm as an 8th year probably isn’t a good idea either, but I was hoping for 6th or 7th. Has anyone else ever dealt with this? Were you able to negotiate your class year if you overperformed?

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I took a 2 year cut from 7th year to 5th year because I moved practice groups and from a v50 to a v10

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3 years back in the same practice group? Doing the same exact work? Or, you’re retooling?

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OK, depends how broad the practice area is, and different firms label different practice areas with the same name so there’s no such thing as an objective practice area that covers the same work

Honestly a gift in some ways. Very hard to make partner if you don’t have the time to build your internal rep before you’d be up. Get the ego thing for sure but if it’s a partial retool it might really help - and you’ll be better than their other midlevels in a lot of ways. Will help you stand out.

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Not a gift. Idk why people keep saying this... 12-15 year associates are super common these days. Firms have no problem making you wait forever for partnership while keeping you at full 9th year pay

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If you want to renegotiate class year after 1 or 2 years of work, you should discuss it now and have that evaluation to skip ahead included in your offer letter. It’s not an unreasonable ask. But don’t wait until you’ve already started work because it will be harder, administratively, to do that for you because of how that looks to other high achieving laterals

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Try to negotiate it. I bet you can ask to come in as 6th instead of 5. That still gives you a good ramp up period if you want partnership and you wouldnt be taking a big comp hit

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