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Please evaluate this initial offer for Apple ICT3. I think I was low balled, but I want to take more opinions. Currently Sr. MTS at VMware, received Apple ICT3. I was expecting to get to ICT4 but seems like team thinks upper end of ICT3 is more apt. Also, I think it is because I don’t have any counter offers yet.
Received offer
Base: 185k
Sign on: 40k
RSU: 160k/4 years (Here is where I think it is low)
Location: Cupertino,CA
Current TC
229k
YOE: 3.5 years US / 6.5 overall(similar roles)
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Human hands. Keep your stakeholders informed and happy, have cosistent delivery, do your work out in the open. Do that and you'll be fine.
Im golden. It’s just for my paranoid mind 😅
I totally feel you! However, as a data scientist/engineer that works in fraud prevention in terms of digital fraud, I would strongly advise against doing that. Not because i’m like “that’s unethical and you should be working”. But rather that you won’t fool big tech software with some mouse jugglers. You’d be extremely surprised with what they’re able to detect in terms of human vs. not human mouse behavior, clicks, keyboard typing, etc. It’s a dumb reason to get fired. Assuming you don’t have a micro-manager, so long as you get your work done, you’ll be fine.
How are you able to detect?
Open up a slideshow and keep it presenting, or open a teams call / zoom call.
No need for any jiggler
So, these are the people that eat up the bonus and merit pools and cause the people that give a damn to get less, eh?
The people designing and making the technology are smart than you. Try your tricks and don't forget to post them on the internet. I hope you have a way to explain why you were the only person in a 4-hour meeting every day for the past month. Lol
The collaboration apps are heavily tracked. Your Legal & Compliance team can also see all the shit talking you and your bestie are doing about Bob in Accounting. If you want to keep the job, best to just do the work and tell people when you need to be away. Otherwise, maybe just quit?
I had to fire a guy for poor performance after wasting time on an extensive coaching plan (he had gone from performant in the office to delivering almost nothing from home). We don’t start from the assumption that underperformance is related to not working, but eventually it’s something you have to look at. I mention all of the above so people won’t think I act like the Eye of Sauron. I get that in your case, you’re working but you don’t want anyone to draw stupid conclusions.
Anyway this guy was actually gone for hours at a time, and what tipped off IT is that he had set the mouse jiggler to keep him green 100% of the time. People who are actually doing their job don’t appear active 100% of the time. They go to the bathroom, work something out on a white board, switch to their phone, etc. It can make you look suspicious.
If you’re getting your work done I would not worry about this. Neither I nor my management ever looked at that closely unless someone wasn’t delivering.
Just work if they are paying you to work
So here's the secret truth if you're using a company machine There is no such thing they're all detected now. That's up to their capabilities monitoring goals.
This may sound elitist and excuse my French. Maybe even a bit asshole-ish but just do your job bro. I get it. We all have down time. We all have moments where it's slow. We all have stuff we have to do but just do your job. If you do your job well enough you shouldn't have any issues
Same Here (Government Employee) you just have to stay active.
Trust me it's better to just deal with it. I've seen folks get DLP & External Mm alwate hit using jigglers it's not worth potentially losing your job
Claude AI in computer use mode has the ability to take over your computer and (theoretically might) outsmart mouse jiggler detection. One might be able tell it to do rudimentary tasks over a period of eight hours or even have it write code and do useful stuff, but I have not tested this. Maybe the AIs doing your work can have an apocalyptic battle with the AIs doing the work of your supervisors trying to detect whether you’re using an AI to fool them.
People like this that give all other remote workers a bad name. Be present, make use of your breaks and lunch. Easy as that.
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There is a big crackdown in progress and I expect more system wide surveillance on computers to make this a very risky strategy. I like the notepad trick on using key presses instead of mouse movement.
https://www.currentware.com/blog/mouse-jiggler-detection/
I used to have a python script that would just click on 10s of google chrome tabs that i had opened on a randomized interval and in a randomized way. Also some keystrokes sometimes write documentation and all that
You can probably find many scripts like that on github
I found a work around... keep teams open on ur phone and keep refreshing and ur green light stays on
Understand how it's detected?
You can have a pi pico which will present a standard hid device and then you can make it move the mouse and type whatever.
Yeah, problem with that is ̵ ̴f̴a̴s̴i̴.̴.̴.̴ I mean super sctrict workplaces that will use mouse move monitors will also monitor what- and when was attached to your PC. I would never work at such a place, but if I did I would use a simple mechanical wristwatch. I would just put the mouse atop with the scanner over the middle. The second-hand's movement will constantly trigger the monitoring software and it isn't easy to detect. (Not impossible either. You just have to detect clicks instead of movements.)
Heres a free jiggler (well assuming you have a fan): tape your mouse to an oscillating fan such that it moves the mouse as it's going back and forth.
An analog watch with a second hand.
Agree with all comments of "don't do it" — but for those some-times, need-tos, a watch is infallible and indetectible.
That is dishonesty and with AI and other technologies; not sure if any are 100% undetectable these days. I can say; everyone I ever worked with that utilized mouse jiggles were simply lazy and not pulling they're weight and cheating the system.
Integrity first in my opinion....but everyone does things for a reason
This is all so unnecessary. Most mouse jugglers will be fine provided they don’t download anything on your system. Read the comments to confirm before purchasing. At the same time, absolutely no one is online for the full 8 hours, so being online all day might be just as suspicious. For the odd occasion it’s fine. If they ask you anything you deny it. It’s as simple as that.
Crack down or not, I’ve never heard of anyone being successfully dismissed because of a mouse jiggler. Just make sure to always change your teams status from your laptop and not your phone, as it’s embarrassing when you see people still logged in well into the evening because they have either forgotten to turn it off or are controlling it from their phone. I really wouldn’t listen to all of these CEOs and overthinkers. You’ll be fine. Everyone bar the CEO uses them
do your job. Or, get a new one if it's really that bad.
I’ve heard of putting a mouse onto the face of a mechanical watch and the second hand traveling around keeps the mouse detecting movement
Plus it into a different laptop
I built one in LabVIEW when i had to run a test using a computer where i didn't have admin privileges to keep it from locking after 5 minutes (A bad situation when you need to see test progress in real time). The computer was isolated from the network. Later i got a computer that i had full control of and the issue went away. I would not recommend using it to fool IT.