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Also remember that your 2L year doesn't define you. I had what I thought was my dream summer associate job. Well the woman who hired the summer associates left after she chose me, so everyone else was selected by another person. I was the odd one out that hadn't been included on the emails and such with the overall group. It was a miserable summer, and I was so desperately unhappy. But I knew if I got an offer, I'd accept because it wasn't worth the risk. So after not hearing anything all summer, even though all the others had heard, the woman waited until after OCI had ended to let me know they wouldn't want me back. I cried (for quite a while), freaking out about my future. I graduated in 2014. I ended up getting a job at a super fun and great firm. I've been here for seven years. Low hours, decent pay. I'm so happy. And that dream firm ended up getting bought by Dentons, and the entire practice group I was with split up to various other firms.
Meanwhile, my small firm is highly ranked in the practice area, and I get super high exposure to giant clients I never could have dreamed of working with.
So this will not define you.
I did law school at night and worked full time through it. I participated in an OCI and picked a similar firm to your story (I didn’t leave my full time job until graduating or summer anywhere). I ended up transferring to a larger firm at year 5 and absolutely love it. The skill set I brought with me from the boutique firm including the super high exposure to giant clients made me able to handle a much more senior role at the larger firm than I think I could have obtained going directly there from law school.
Intern in public service. Public defender, legal aid, some for of prosecutor... Shouldn’t prevent you from getting a summer associate position in big law the following year. Most law schools have some funding for public service internships.
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Plus you usually get great experience at these types of places!
I graduated in 2011, the cursed class. Big law was not hiring and didn’t really do any summer programs. I didn’t step into a big law firm until my 3rd year of practice. I just made partner at an Am50. I know of two others from my class that also transitioned to big law once in practice. I worked in several courts and for the district attorney’s office. Good luck!
I was a lifeguard every summer of college and my 1L and 2L summers at the same beach I had worked at since I was 16. I wasn’t ready to give up my three months a year of being a kid and enjoying life. I was a serious student through college and law school and got good grades, but I wanted/needed a break. I have told that story at every job interview I’ve ever had and am 4 for 5 on offers (both DOJ and biglaw). I am now at a V20 firm in a great group. Never regretted my decision. Everyone’s career path is different. Just breathe and it will work out.
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What year are you in school?
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@C1, you are absolutely correct, some cannot afford to take unpaid positions, and that’s something to be mindful of when recruiting. (I held a part-time paid position during 2L and 3L for that reason myself and worked those unimpressive college jobs.) There’s a lot of these biases that contribute to the inequities in big law hiring. It’s good to point them out. And someone’s 1L summer position isn’t the be-all, end-all of my decision making process when I’m making recruiting recommendations.
I more meant that if you have the option not to, don’t choose the RA position over the one that will get you some kind of legal experience. (Not being able to afford the unpaid position means it’s not an option.)
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Not sure what’s normal these days but when I was in school (t14 during Great Recession) almost no one was getting 1L summer gigs at biglaw firms, and most of them are still successful attorneys today, many making partner or in great in-house positions.
You’ll be fine. It’s a recession. Look at judges, in-house, government, non-profit, academia etc. For my 1L summer, I was choosing between the city attorneys office, interning with a judge, and helping a law professor do research. Lots of options beyond just biglaw. Your 1L summer job does not matter that much, just be excited and enthusiastic when you’re talking about it at 2L OCI. I made it to biglaw eventually as did most of my graduating class who wanted to.
I’m a recent grad (May 2020). Most of the current 1Ls I know still haven’t found summer position yet either, so don’t stress yet! I got my 1L summer job in April of 1L, through networking: a college friend of mine was interning there, she was graduating college in May and wanted summer as a break before law school started, so I took over to her. It was a really small firm but at least it was a paid job, and I ended up gaining a lot of experience that helped me land my 2L summer job. Fast forward to now - that 1L summer boss ended up hiring me now after I graduated! As someone said above, the important thing is that your 1L job is somewhat legal/law related, but it can be anything. Work any connections you have because many people are willing to hire summer interns for low (or sometimes no) pay. Also keep in mind that you can even work part time - it won’t show up on your resume as part time and that could give you flexibility if necessary (it should be May/June - August tho).