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It doesn't say the role is for women, it says the agency is female-led. If you're a dude excited about working at a female led agency, why wouldn't you apply for this role? In fact I know just the person.
This may sound bad but I’m being totally serious - smart women usually aren’t as subconsciously sexist as old rich white men. I’m completely sure that these people want the best on their team and recognize that a team of all women provides little perspective. I think you’re overthinking it, and this Shawn guy is the one pointing it out, not them!
Sorry to be this person but that’s the definition of fragile masculinity. If you feel discouraged by the fact that your leadership would all be women, that’s entirely on you
The real red flag is that it’s an agency “in a creative turnaround”. That is almost never true
How is Shawn’s wording the women’s fault? And btw, the genders HAVE been reversed. For hundreds of years.
I think if a guy feels like he's at a disadvantage after reading that they have all female leadership, that problem is on the dude and not the post.
As a woman, I have dealt with my feelings about being 'disadvantaged' because basically every place I applied to and worked at was all male leadership. I applied anyway.
Nope. Only thing discouraging me is having to go through Shawn, even though he did always seem like a nice dude when I spoke with him.
Yeah, I read this as “hey the agency is led by women and this is really rare in this day and age so check them out they practice what they preach.” Not sure why men would be dissuaded from working under women?
@D1 @SVP1 - Nowhere is it saying that only women are allowed to be in senior leadership. It is only saying that the CURRENT structure of the leadership is all female. How is this gender discrimination? How is it dissuading men from trying to advance in this organization? How in the world is an all-women leadership team bad? There are all-male leadership teams all the time and nobody bats an eye. But now this comes out and the men are running around saying that it’s illegal. Holy...
I’m still stuck on how y’all seem to be blaming the women for how Shawn wrote his post. It’s INCREDIBLE how far people are willing to reach just to protect a man’s ego
OK, fragile males. The post is written to encourage more females to take a shot on a new job, which is hard to do in this industry. Never in the history of earth has a male ever been discouraged from applying to a job. All this does is even the playing field. Welcome to the fckin game.
I don’t read it that way at all. I think it’s an “eye of the beholder” type situation.
I am a man and I have been partnered with many great women, and freelanced at TWO female-owned agencies where the founders were wonderful. My best housemates and even motorcycle mechanics have been women. I like women just fine. That said, when it's good, it's very good, and when it's bad it's horrid. When you have a female nemesis on the job, it is a special kind of hell because there is the friction of dealing with a shady co-worker, plus all the invisible emotional intricacies that women thrive on, negatively directed at you. In this feminist age men have no recourse against this, so yeah, as a man, you do have to tread carefully.
Maybe I’m just over-sensitive (awwwwww) because this sounds like a good gig for good shop/people, but the post seemed to take great pains to point out the all-female leadership which could put a guy at a disadvantage (again, don’t say it, awwwwww). But guess this is how women have felt applying for ad gigs all these years, so who am I to complain? 🤷🏽♂️
The part that may be off-putting is that it makes it sound like men aren't even considered for management roles there. They even state that women are in "all leadership roles". Maybe it's just poor wording, but imagine the shitstorm if the genders were reversed?
@SP1 I've re-read through this entire thread and it doesn't seem like anyone's blaming women. I've specifically blamed whoever wrote that job description. If you're going to cite "fragile masculinity", can I invoke "fragile femininity"?
Freelance (former R/GA) 1 does not speak on behalf of all Freelance (former R/GA).
@SP1 Believe me, it’s not the notion of working for women (which I have, and do, and it’s usually great)—it’s the mere job search/hiring process: I would just assume that all-female leadership would be looking for more females to mentor/add to the team vs. “just another dude.” Maybe I’m underestimating both them and myself here. But this is honestly why I posted this, to get a read from smart people w/o it turning into a shitshow.
I'm not taking sides either way, but Shawn has been one of the most thorough and consistent recruiters I've worked with. Seems like a good dude.
Is that even legal? It’s gender discrimination no?