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Yes. Be willing to leave if you don't get your way but don't say that to anyone, just act like it
You totally have to own it. Build the connections in the practice you want to align with (PPEDs) and then get them to fight on your behalf. HR will not help haha
I literally got told no straight up over a year ago and kept pushing because I love the firm and didn't want to leave. Timing is everything, right after you make senior associate is typically the best time. You really have to drive the process yourself. For me, it took about a year total. It's really a double edged sword; you must be a high performer to be eligible for transfer, but if you're a high performer your current practice isn't going to want to let you go.
Below are the steps I took:
1) Made it one of my yearly goals to get staffed on an engagement in "target" practice
2) Found role I was interested in on internal career portal and applied (should exist but may not be openly advertised, ours is literally buried)
3) Got a call from HR two days later since they are REQUIRED to at least talk to any potential internal candidates that apply.
4) Interviewed with SM & Partner in "target" practice. (Felt both meetings went well, prepped Partner in "target" practice for the shit storm that may ensue if I land the role)
5) HR communicated that there was mutual interested to go forward with the transfer (At this point I was advised by HR not to tell anyone)
6) Transfer and suggested timeline was communicated to my manager/practice leader by HR. (This reallllly pissed them off and they felt blindsided. However, I think it was ultimately in my best interest)
7) Engaged manager/practice leader regarding timing, backfilling my role, etc.
By the way, the first 2 times I tried going through the process I got stopped by HR at step 3. They would entertain the discussion for compliance purposes but wouldn't put me in front of someone from the target practice. Finally the third time I got a recruiter who understood my background/situation and put me through.
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Act vs say? I would need to line up an actual job in this externally first then
It means you will get a lot of pushback, to the point where you may feel like your career at EY is in jeopardy (though it's probably not unless you're an ass about it) so be prepared to handle that and keep pushing for what you want
How do you keep pushing despite being told its not going to happen? Will HR step in eventually? Should I actually start applying to outside jobs?
But the current practice leader doesn't want to let me go :(
Same here OP. Current practice leader didn't want me to go. Eventually I have up because it seemed like I would yes almost burning bridges and kicking myself out of the job
^ I think Deloitte is even worse
D requires approval of both sides when transferring. I started with my counselor and related it to fit, performance, and growth. Once he was on board, I worked the HR and desired group side while my counselor took on the current group leadership.