Rental income covers 98% of PITI. I have to pay the little bit left over + HOA. How bad is this?

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PITI coverage isn’t enough. What happens when an appliance breaks? Or the roof leaks in a storm? Or the A/C goes out in the summer / furnace goes out in the middle of winter? Or the tenant stops paying and it takes you 6+
Months to take the case thru the courts?

You need to account for long term maintenance (~10% to 15%), vacancy reserves (5% to 10%), and other expenses (HOA, property management, utilities / pest control / landscaping in some scenarios, etc.). I always have a $3k to $5k in a slush fund for each property I have for those worst case scenarios, plus the reserves I build up for planned maintenance and vacancy. You mentioned you’d be out of pocket for HOA, I’d consider that to be part of the bottom line along with PITI. Managing does take time, and you need to value that time whether you’re doing the management or you hire someone to manage it so you can focus on higher value uses if your time.

If you can’t cashflow after accounting for ALL expenses (including HOA fees) and future reserves, then you aren’t really cashflowing.

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You have a <1 DSCR withOUT accounting for HOA, R&M, capex, vacancy, and property management (which you should account for even if you self-manage).

That's not good, pal. You're losing money. Maybe not yet, but you will over time when those expenses start to materialize (and they will over time).

For reference, most banks require a 1.2+ DSCR after all those are accounted for using a 25-40% value for expense drag.

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Yes he's adding principle but with how upside down he is on the monthly cashflow he's likely wiping most if not all of it out, at least in the early years.

Also the equity only materializes when he sells. He has to weather the storm for years/decades until then.

There hasn’t been genuine positive cash flow in rentals for a long time now. Unless you bought significant bargain purchase

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False. You just have to find them, as PM1 said.

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I wouldn’t do 140 negative cashflow in areas like Chicago where there is zero appreciation. However, it’s not a terrible thing to do in markets where there is appreciation. If it’s latter, I would enjoy the debt payoff, tax benefits and the appreciation. In a few years you can refinance or pull HELOC to find another rental with a better cashflow to offset this.

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Negative cash flow is the opposite of why you should buy real estate.

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Not the best deal but what would your money be doing otherwise and what do the next 5 years look like for the rental property?

Yeah can you weather vacancy for a month or so if there is turnover, repair and/or capex costs if things break?

This is amazing, how is it bad?

Go to your amatorization schedule and see how much principal you’re getting paid…Let’s say it’s $600. If that were your pay check, that’d be like a $20,000 per year raise

I found the rookie…

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I would say not amazing. Now if it’s a condo so you have lower capital expenditures, likely not as terrible. If you can afford the negative cash flow and think you got a good deal or the property will increase in value a lot going forward, I wouldn’t sweat it too bad

It depends how you look at it honestly. Everything can’t start with an amazing deal. The way I look at it is that every year 95 percent of my mortgage is paid down by tenants = WIN. Obviously you want to cashflow and that’s the major goal but some cities are super expensive but that doesn’t mean you don’t invest in them. Just my 2 cents but I’ve seen much worse. In 5-7 years will you look back and regret this choice or do you think you’ll be happy?

So how much are you paying extra per month?

PM1 - I agree that most make over $150k, but I’m not going to assume so I ask since I work with real estate investors that fall into both buckets of income. I’m the one that signs off on the returns so I take the facts and not assumptions. What if they made less than $100k and I made a blanket statement that passive losses can’t offset ordinary income?

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