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If I land it the trajectory of my life and that of my family changes but I'm starting to feel the pressure. I haven't had a lot of traction for job searching since I graduated in December so this is the best lead I have and I'm getting scared now.
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Well garbage men provide an actually useful social service…
As an attorney myself… and knowing what AI is about to do to the industry: Yes. Garbage men > spoiled lawyers
Garbage man, or anyone else, makes what they make depending on several factors. Whether a first year should make less than 140k is dependent on so many factors. Should a baseball player make more than nurses or first responders? They make what they make because of various factors, and whether we agree with it or not is another issue.
If you have a question or concern on what first years make, make a genuine claim about why they should make more or less, instead of making statements like this.
Why are you hating on workers who pick up your garbage?
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Yeah maybe. 1st years are like infants, they aren't capable of much and they are hardly attorneys. Garbage men are actually achieving the job they were hired to do.
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Wow, you are something else. A real narcissist. That is some next level unnecessarily cruel and mean things to say. You have no clue whether I've lost a parent. You have no clue whether I'm a first generational college grad, with no "trust fund" or generational wealth. None of that stuff even has anything to do with what is being talked about here. You are a sad, miserable person. Truly despicable human here. I actually can't even wrap up my reply here because im so dumbfounded at how nasty you are and I dont know how to say it in a way that will make you reflect and hopefully change and never speak to someone this way again. Never jump to conclusions about someone you dont know anything about regarding topics that aren't even relevant to conversation. If your goal was to hurt me, congrats, mission accomplished, especially with the dead parent one. Round of applause to you. I feel bad for your children.
Based on this post alone, I feel you would have great success pivoting into the field of garbage.
You would probably pass out if you knew how much my 16 year old kid will be making in 6 years as a pipefitter. You want to knock on the trades? Try close to $400,000 a year with zero student loans. Stop acting like you're above anybody .
Trades are a good profession. They are a forgotten profession. People look down on them as if they are lowly and for the uneducated or for immigrants. The truth is they are more relevant and needed and probably won’t be taken over by AI than a lot of these IVY league educated professions that all these people are ragging about on this site. And I would bet dollars to donuts there is less gossip and more camaraderie.
Yeah probably. Garbage workers are much more important. I can live without attorneys for a while. I would like to see how long Boston functions without garbage workers.
Read about the Republic Services union strike
Garbage men have a right to feed their families and own a home. Why shouldn’t they earn over a 100k in an expensive city? It’s a long arduous back breaking job and people are pigs dumping their trash in ways that show no respect for their neighbors let alone the people who collect the trash. A first year attorney has the potential to probably earn five times that in a few years time with hard work. The trash collector will plateau, so let them earn as much as they can to live a dignified life. They are no less a valuable human than the first year or a fifth year - all hard working individuals contribute to the fabric of society.
Are you considering becoming a garbage man? If not, it is not particularly relevant to your situation. If you are, go for it.
I imagine Boston puts out a lot of trash.
Candidly, we're in the middle of the garbage strike. I read that the drivers negotiated for 140k which is a pretty good salary in my opinion! But it's also less than what first years are making in some firms in Boston. It made me raise an eyebrow. Which is why I posed the question. Had no idea some people would get so hot under the collar and read so deeply into this.
A first year garbage collector makes $140k?
As a former 1st year and a former gc of a multinational company who hired a lot of law firms, everyone knows that first years aren’t worth much and garbage collection is an essential service.
But I agree with the comment that this is not a serious question.
I don't think this is a sincere question.
Yes they should make less.
Why? Like you are worth more? As a human or as a professional? You are only a paralegal 🙄
I dont think the author is hating on garbage men. I think its an interesting question when a first year law student has spent 7 years (sometimes more) in an educational system that they are told will reward them for their efforts, monetarily, and garbage men do not have that type of skill set. A garbage man's skill set is to sit in a truck, drive up and down a street, and either manipulate some buttons for the truck to dump the garbage can, or dump it themselves. Let's all agree that it does not take a ton of skills or education. On the other hand, as most of you here know, becoming a lawyer is a arduous, sometimes defeating, three or four years, where the skill taught literally changes the way you are supposed to think. Most leave that institution with six figures in debt. A pipefighter, they might be more skilled, they might put themselves in situations (like underwater) that require a better pay. But a garbage man? It's not the same. So why are all of you social justice warriors trying to make it so?
A7 actually is making a solid point. There is in fact a difference between skilled trades and unskilled work and even blue collar people will defend the skilled trades so if they can why cant others see the difference too. not all “blue collar” is the same. Failing to see that too is actually insulting to working people and lacks humility.
Comparison is the thief of joy, people. Serve humanity with a good heart and do a good job. Stop being greedy and thinking life owes you something it does not. And help your fellow colleagues in a dog eat dog field. I suspect garbage men have more fellowship than attorneys.
The word “should” is strange here. Beyond minimum wage, pay is tied to supply and demand rather than what we feel is right or wrong… and then there are unions which have the power to constrain supply. How a garbage man being paid 140k is beyond me but likely a union.
First years are useless at most places so if you think pay should be tied to contribution, first years should be paid nothing. But price here is instead supply and demand. The supply of lawyers is likewise constrained but here by (i) the requirement that you pass the bar, and (ii) further constrained by the standard a given firm has for your performance in law school among other things.
If you make less than a garbage man as a first year, consider whether or not you support unions and whether you went to a decent enough law school and had a decent enough GPA there to land at a high paying firm.
Doesn’t seem like you want to actually respond to what I said. That’s ok. We can talk about something else! 😃 why do you think I have advantages over solo practitioners? Who handed me what?
Yes.
I've seen associates make way less
If associates want to make more money, maybe they should unionize their workplaces like the sanitation workers did.
In philly they’re paying $80K and not offering more if youve been practicing 10+ years but in a different/ but transferable field. Youve chosen a career where we are basically a dime a dozen to some employers.