Solve a debate for me I think my husband is way underpaid. He has 5 years of experience in all kinds of dev but has specialized in cloud computing. He has been working for the same company since he graduated. He has worked his way up to lead developer and makes $110k. What would you think a remote employee should be making with 5 years of experience.

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158 is what I pay my cloud engineers plus 15-20% bonus

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Thank you this is extremely helpful!

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At a glance, he feels underpaid. Factors to consider are:

1) what is the company size and how is it performing?
2) in the last 5 years, how are his performance reviews looking?
3) what are the benefits, and any pre-IPO shares on the line?

Overall, I think it would not hurt to explore your options, update the resume/CV and see what other employers think you're worth.

Hope this helps!

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I commented below but just read your response here, I think if he really wants to stay he should tell them that he’s done research and knows he can get X amount more realistically, and that due to inflation and poor benefits etc his current salary is not allowing him to be where he needs at this stage in life and wants a boost. See if they are willing to pay. If not then time to dust off the resume. Or if he feels more comfortable he can get some interviews done beforehand so he can gauge the job market before even mentioning it and be halfway to a new job before asking, just a lil more work/time for him this route but can potentially help him immensely in negotiating with them.

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Husband is 10YOE engineer. Constantly was telling him he was underpaid at 120k (though Low COL); he finally got annoyed enough at his job to look for new roles. Got a sweet gig in big tech for 400% raise lol (high COL).

Your man isn’t doing too bad given 5 YOE, but there is always more to be made! Doesn’t hurt to look!

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120 + 480 = 600

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“Same company since he graduated” is your answer to why he’s underpaid. Life’s too short. Let him update his CV, and start looking, even just out of curiousity. You won’t need to convince him whether or not your job pays better. He can see for himself!

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The pay is also based on the company’s job description and requirements. Not what an individual deserves. Putting it this way, say a person with a PhD wants to work as a cashier at a store. He’ll get cashier salary.

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If the debate is just about whether he can get more comp, then yes you are right.
But here are some other factors that make it more nuanced:
Is he super complacent with his team/management/colleagues?
Is he happy with his work life balance?
Is he developing skills/experience that he feels is valuable?
If the answer to any or all of those are yes, then it may take more than higher comp to get him interested in moving.
I was in a similar place a year ago- 120 comp, 3 yoe, no defined path to promotion. And my wife was dropping hints about me being able to make 2-3x “some day”. At some point she said “maybe you should start looking for a new job in a year.
Eventually I was able to warm up to updating resume, looking at job posts, understanding salary ranges, getting referrals, studying for interviews and interviewing. I did these all on my own. I’m now 2x what I was a year ago (and in the same “perfect” team/company).
Lesson is twofold- A. Some jobs are too good to leave
B. You need to be emotionally all in to succeed at getting a hi comp job in tech. spousal support is a must, but more important is wanting it yourself.

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Depends on the company and how skilled he really is. There are those that are making double or triple that number in very competitive companies and those that are making less with laidback companies. I’d wager that he is being underpaid but 5 YOE isn’t the same on everyone.

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Most likely he's underpaid depending on skillets and location.

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Then yeah he should definitely make more. Tell him to update the resume and just put feelers out and see what response he gets. Worst case he gets a cloud certification before hand just to get pass the filters. That way he can see what's out there and what roles or companies he gets interviews with. Good thing is where you live it's probably a lot of money.

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Your husband seems to be very underpaid.. no wonder why people have been job hopping so frequently the past couple years as it’s much easier to get 20-30% pay bump at a time rather than receiving a merit increase at the same company

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Underpaid especially if his skillset is up to par. I have seen a lot of seasoned engineers fail assessments for big companies because they lack the necessary skillset. Generally this is due to working with companies that aren’t innovative and pushing the limits.

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150k base minimum plus rsus and sign on

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Very very underpaid he needs to leave and double his pay

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Underpaid, are you mad? There are no job listings with that kind of salary for that role

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This must be in USD then

I think he’s definitely underpaid. I have <3 years experience and am at 115k. When I switched from my prev job at 77k I got a 100k offer and negotiated to 105. I would have never gotten that big a jump with a promotion which is why I switched. Good luck!

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I have 27 years of experience in a variety of development, and I'm at 145.

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Technically he should be making a bit more

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Depends on the market/location. Sounds low but maybe that’s normal for where you live and work

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He is underpaid.
I have been a Dev manager for the last 5 years, I had two brilliant developers who makes below 100k while I am paying $140k for under performing dev, they could easily make more than $150k somewhere else.
There is nothing I was able to do for them since they didn’t ask anything.
It’s not only about skill… you need to know how negotiate your salary. Great developers are the worst person when it comes to looking after their benefits.

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Always look for job to see how much you worth or research the average salary in your area.
It depends on your manager and how valuable you are for company… ask for increase or move to a different company.

5 years experience in Cloud is usually around the 140-160 mark. If remote, it depends on sector and compensation package

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You win! I’m a few grand under that with less than 2 YOE, no degree, just a bootcamp over quarantine. He should talk salary with newly hired devs or coworkers, the only people who benefit from salary secrecy are the shareholders

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