What is the best way to have a productive conversation about promotion? I love my job and manager and I don’t want to leave (I came from a toxic firm so afraid of joining another toxic firm). YE feedback has been strong the last 2 years (been here 2.5 years, 5.5 years of experience total), I literally don’t understand what the disconnect is. Other people have been promoted that joined similar time as me (different team) but still… I don’t think it’s money/budget thing.

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I believe it’s a process. I think you need to have a conversation with your manager about the expectations and deliverables required to be eligible for a promotion. Early on in any role I usually ask how the promotion process works. Here are some sample questions I ask: is there a cycle or time period in which promotions are made? Is there any requirement on length of time in role? What benchmarks would I be measured against to determine if I meet the next level? What’s the chain of command that approves a promotion? What’s the typical salary bump I could expect?

Then I work to make a case that I’ve met the criteria/expectations outlined in my previous conversations with my manager.

In most cases it’s not about just doing a good job, typically you need to be taking on additional responsibilities to justify a promotion.

Talk to your manager about your goal to get promoted and be prepared to talk about how your role has expanded since you started and how you’ve contributed to the company or gone above or beyond. Help lay out the case for your manager and see what how they respond.

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Have you told your manager you want to be promoted to another position? Have you two discussed what needs to be accomplished in order to do so?

I think a lot of people make the mistake of assuming that if they do their job well they will automatically be promoted. A good manager should of course be asking you what your career goals are and helping you move forward, but many will assume you are content where you are unless you’ve proactively stated otherwise.

Tell your manager your intentions now (6+ months ahead of your performance review) and ask what you need to do to obtain the position you want. You two should come up with a checklist of skills and accomplishments. That way, at review time, it will be very clear where you stand on the path to the new position. If you still have things to work on, you will know what you need to do. If you’ve accomplished everything and still don’t get promoted, something is wrong and you look for a new job.

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That sounds really frustrating. I would say to him, very clearly, “I want to get promoted to X position. You said at the end of 2022 I needed to be at the company for a longer amount of time. Now it’s been over a year. Am I now eligible for the promotion? When can we make that happen?” The more direct you are, the clearer if an answer you will get. Bonus points if you can get this all in writing.

You don’t get what you don’t ask for. Go to your boss and tell them that you want to work towards this goal. Ask them the necessary steps to get there and ask for feedback on which parts you need to work on. This is also so that you have actionable steps to take, as well as accountability for your manager. The next time you are up for review you can go over the steps you’ve taken.

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Also, be sure to build relationships and secure advocates outside your boss - you need multiple people across the firm vouching for your contributions.

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This is why I suggested understanding the chain of command of who ultimately has to approve the promotion. Your boss typically initiates but they usually aren’t the ultimate decision maker and you will need buy in from others further up the chain.

I have this theory that when you are really good at your job, like really good, they intentionally keep you as a working bee vs promotion. That’s my theory.

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My personal advice. Be ready to have another offer that has that level you want and a new comp. It’s the easiest way to get $$$ and to move up. Without an offer letter you kinda have no leverage. You gotta be ready to walk.

The question is why have others been promoted with similar experience or time with the company? Are there areas of improvement that you need to work on or gain skills that will put you in a better position? Have a talk with your boss to determine what needs to be done to advance to the next level i.e, get promoted. I agree that sometimes it's not a budget issue and to get to the root cause is to have a conversation by initiating a meeting with your boss for your development. I hope this helps.

I'm going through a similar situation. I prepared a report and presentation on my contributions and was told they would review it and get back to me. That was in August. I've followed up several times and have been told they're too busy but love the work I'm doing, and that I'm too valuable in my current position.

I'm applying to other companies and have a great offer on the table. I love my job and my team but enough is enough. There's no harm in exploring your options. Go to a couple interviews and see what's out there.

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