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Thank you all for your patience. I do appreciate it. It turns out having a side project while running multiple proposals is a trifle challenging. That said. I’m posting a first subset of the rawish data. In all close to 500 people took the survey, but a majority were from the Big Four. Here is the data from Deloitte, EY, KPMG, and PWC. Insights to come! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1lN6JrxQfvA_MC4XFZ38G0ppQkBuxRv9mf88Y8NE2X2U/htmlview
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I know in this job market, we aren't all in the position to be picky. But I would really struggle to move forward with a company that doesn't want me to know if I'm wasting my time or not. They know what skills and experience they are getting from me, I should know what salary I would be getting from them.
I would probably go through the process until it got to the point of completing an assignment. I wouldn’t move past that without knowing. When you think about it, it’s not too much of a time waste to sit for a few interviews, especially for a potentially great job and compensation. I would also probably try to bring that up with someone who is interviewing me. Ive had it happen to me…THEY dont know the comp info is being withheld and that THEIR time might be wasted. And in most of the cases, the recruiter has behind the scenes been “corrected” and a budget shared. Generally when you make your problem somebody else’s problem, it gets rectified quickly.
Ok, so you just left the Wendy's drive thru with a mediocre chicken sandwich, but it's your favorite one from that restaurant, so you're satisfied. You meet an acquaintance at the park who's brown-bagging it. He's craving some Wendy's and wants to make a trade with you for his brown-bag lunch, but he's not willing to tell you what's in the bag. Are you making the trade? No, because you're worried he's packing a luke-warm bologna sandwich and some stale chips. Same with this job offer. I'm not trading my time for something that will likely end up being sub-par. Nope!
I think that's definitely a turn off. I generally encourage people not to initiate the first salary conversation, but if an employer said this to me I'd be suspicious that they even have the budget for the position. I guess still worth seeing where it goes though.
If you’re bored and have nothing else to do, keep going. If you value your time, tell them to fuck off.
I agree completely with the sentiment and appreciate the afternoon giggle!
Huge turnoff. Unless I had a reason to believe their range would be in line with my expectations, this would have me reconsidering continuing with the interview process. I see no reason for secrecy when it comes to salary and would be irked at the idea of being strung along only to receive a lowball offer.
I think I would steer clear of a company that does not disclose salary range upfront. As others have stated they are just wasting your time or don't have a budget in mind. From my experience I have seen that the majority of companies don't have a contract in hand and are just feeling the market, no real position is available. In addition I have also see that a majority of recruiters don't have any idea of current market rates that they are recruiting for.
Why would you go through the process
Candidates do the same thing to recruiters all the time. Should that turn off a recruiter?
Here's why this happens on both sides. If a recruiter tells a candidate that a position pays a number between 1 and 10, the candidate only hears 10. Game over.
Conversely, if a candidate tells a recruiter they'll take a number between 1 and 10, the recruiter only hears 1.
It makes sense to feel things out through a couple conversations and align as each party learns more about the other.
Just my two cents.
To give a bit of a contrarian opinion:
My current company didn't provide an initial salary expectation and they gave me a great offer. Though, I did do my own research beforehand and had a rough understanding of the salary range. I negotiated for the top of the range and received it.
If the company is reputable (as it was in my case) then this can be fine. Sometimes some odd internal policy exists, that forbids interviewers from disclosing salary expectations.
I do agree with others that this is very frustrating as an interviewee and while it isn't a turn off to me, it'll certainly make me feel annoyed
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Turn off for me - wouldn’t want to waste their and my time if it wasn’t a fit!