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After 2 rounds of interview (1 hour each) , Deloitte usi hr is telling me that due to organisational restructuring the offers are on hold. Got a salary discussion call last Thrusday (no pre hire survey) . Last working day in a week. Any suggestions? Cloud Data engineer CBO unit Deloitte Deloitte USI
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Im not searching for a new job but an acquaintance reached out about a similar role at a similar energy company.Turns out 2 ppl threw my name in the hat. I looked into it and the position was posted 2 weeks ago.Their director wants to meet.I bet pay is one of the first things to be discussed so that no one’s time is wasted.Am I crazy for not wanting to entertain it for less than 20-25% base pay increase?Is it selfish to ask for more? I’m sure most salary conversations end in negotiation anyways?
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Cant go higher on base? Great, lets talk about signing bonus, an additional week off, guaranteed WFH 3 days a week in the offer letter.
If you can't get a higher base, you can't get a higher base. That's just the reality of budgeting.
A company is a business, not a philanthropic organization. This hiring manager was more polite than most. There is no salary negotiations in this company. The job pays what it pays. The salary represents the value of the position to the company and the experience, education and achievements of the employee. The salaries are fair. We do not allow the inmates to run the asylum. We tell the employee what the job pays; they do not tell us how much we should pay them. That sounds harsh, but refer back to the first sentence.
Ditto! I'm glad I don't.
I think employers need to start giving a reasonable range in salary upfront and not ask what the job searcher wants—it already puts you in a bad negotiating position. When I read these job ads and they come across as fake, dictatorial, or anything that sounds off, that affects whether people even apply and will only drive certain people to apply (that's not what the company wants). I believe in not playing games in these situations. Be upfront and open to creativity. And if you feel you need to "win" something, negotiate on vacation days, personal days, your start date, or specific days off; be guaranteed you will get those days. And to get back to your original comment, if you are being treated in a retaliatory (jealous) manner about your salary, report it to the boss. It could be done informally, and that would be best because you don't want grudges.
I mean the phrasing is a little weird, but it sounds like they're trying to use the "sandwich method" by telling you that there's no more money to negotiate higher. I'm personally one of those people who appreciates a good vibe and would willingly take a pay cut to work well with my team. But not everybody feels the same. And the hiring manager likely doesn't really know how "good" the vibe is to be speaking on it so confidently.
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Option 1: “we can’t go higher, but the team vibe is amazing.”
Option 2: “we cannot go higher. Sorry.”
Option 3: “This is our offer.”
To me, they say the same thing: “this is what we are offering. Take it, leave it, or counter.”
Don’t take it personal. If it is a bad fit for you, don’t let them get a rise out of you. Tip your hat and engage with the next opportunity.
OP was asking what a good response to the compensation cap comment could be.
It's often budgetary restrictions that out the cap on a salary. The best way to get an increase in salary, is to contribute to the revenue of a company. You can't do that if you don't work for the company. That said, it would really depend on how much lower the base offer was. If it's $5k a year less+ then look for another opportunity. I agree with the above, try other negotiation pieces, PTO, remote work, etc. The reality is, while you want to negotiate money, working for a toxic company, will end up pushing you to look for another job. Buod a culture, build a community, build revenue, increase salaries.
I wouldn't like that either. If the offer was crazy low, I'de probably decline it but if it was close to what I wanted, I might give things a try. You can always find another job
Did you really not know the range before going through entire interview process?
Your "last job" pay means nothing. You should negotiate a Healthcare stipend or monthly whatever to pay for the premium you would pay. Medical is standard anymore and if they don't offer it, they need to compensate in one way or another. The Market Place may give you an idea of health insurance for you would cost. Hard Stop
I get it—money pays the bills, not culture. But culture can keep you around long-term and boost job satisfaction. That said, the hiring manager’s wording was off—"amazing team vibe" isn’t what you want to hear in salary negotiations. Don't think it's a complete turn off if salary is within your range and everything else went well.
You have to advocate for yourself and know what you are really looking to get out of the job that would even out the base salary for you.
Therefore if the salary expectation doesn’t hit your baseline requirements you need to negotiate on other aspects of the role that would be if value to you:
- signing bonus
- personal training budget
- WFH days
- annual / quarterly bonuses
- agreed rise in X months based on agreed targets
- share options etc
- change of title
You have no idea whether the team has an amazing vibe or not and that is not a reason to loose money as that dynamic team vibe can change the instance someone joins (like you) or someone else leaves.
If you are about the money and you see no other way of negotiating value out of this role , then BE about the money and counter with your expectations or walk away.
Totally fair to focus more on the money than culture. I don’t think those are apples to apples comparisons at all. Do they have any other flex with benefits that you could maybe work with?
You can try saying "I have got xxx years experience in ooo domain, which I think it'll bring the benefits/variety to the team." "Though I like the team vibe here, I still got plenty of economic pressure such as house mortgage or children tuitions"
Hi just curious, i am from Sydney and just wondering is Europe really like this? they have to discuss about pay in the interview straight away? dont they go as whatever the base on position advertised?
That is their problem.To make money you should invest money.Simple like tahat!
I am assuming your goal is higher pay, not more non-salary concessions, so I would respond “that is on the low end of the market for the responsibilities and skills required for this role and lower than my minimum. I agree the team has a great vibe and I’d love to be part of it. Based on my skills, experience and salary history, I can’t go lower than my minimum of $____ per ___. “
If the role involves impacting sales revenue or controlling costs in some way, I would also end with something like “I am confident my ______ will add value to the bottom line that will have a positive return on this investment”.
I believe most employers understand it’s not reasonable to ask someone to take a pay cut. That is why I included the bit about salary history as it is more professional than saying i don’t want or can’t take a pay cut. I live in a state where it is illegal for employers to request proof of salary history. So I use this even if it’s not a pay cut. If yours allows employers to ask for proof, you may want to leave that out.
I’m at the point in my career where I care as much about the team as the money. an extra 10 K won’t make a difference to me, but working with people that make me miserable will.
Me too. I’m older and wiser now and also not quite as pressurized money wise as I once was. I up and quit a job I’d been at for over 5 years with a 6 figure salary because the “vibe” was so toxic it actually started to change how I saw myself. They threw money at me afraid I would leave but it made no difference. Who you work with makes all the difference.