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Your ability of being a good lawyer in the real world and taking tests are two different things in my opinion.
Yeah absolutely. To be fair, my grades weren’t due to lack of intelligence - I had severe depression in two semesters of law school exacerbated by someone I know violently committing suicide that threw me down a bad path mentally. My mental health has improved a lot as my years of practice went on and my performance reviews have been great.
I was bottom of the class at an unranked school. I made $750k doing plaintiff personal injury this past year while working less than 40 hours a week. My office is in the upstairs of a converted house that is about unglamorous as it gets. I am beyond content.
Whoa
I think a lot of that depends on where you went to law school. Imagine being at or near the bottom of your class, but graduating from Harvard, Yale, or Stanford! Those names alone on your resume will have employers excited, and depending on the client (some of whom actually care where the associates went to school), they might get excited as well! The aesthetic effect of having a Yale grad working on my case…Your GPA or rank? Not even a thought.
very this
More about school than GPA
Yeah but his mom was the court clerk for the federal judge with whom he got a job
Ain’t that the truth
I graduated bottom ~25% from a T30 and am now a “superstar” associate (per the practice group managing partner) at a BigLaw firm. Getting a spot here wasn’t easy—I struck out at OCI and had to lateral here—but I’m a good lawyer. I just didn’t quite give enough shits in law school.
I applied to some firms directly and others through a recruiter. The firm I ultimately chose was brought to my attention by a recruiter.
I would love to hear more about this. I graduated from a lower ranked state school, towards the bottom of my class. I did not do law review, traditional moot court, or clerk. The large regional firms in my area required a transcript, law review and preferred a clerkship. How did you get your foot in the door of a well paid legal job? I’ve worked in healthcare compliance since graduating. I feel completely scammed in terms of how much I paid for law school versus the return on investment, ie, salary and position. If there is a way to leverage my degree for more money, I would like to know.
Going into compliance right away is your biggest issue. It’s very normal to get pigeon-holed into compliance if you’re in it too long or too early. That said, some compliance roles pay really well like in pharma.
I got my first two roles entirely by networking (was basically scouted for my first firm role by an attorney I networked with during law school at a specialized boutique) so that’s how I started my career. My last role I was well qualified for but I leveraged a former classmate who was on the team, and my current role was a step up from that role.
100%
Try going to a law school ranked 163 out of 195 and graduating at the bottom half of your class w/ student loan debt. F***ed doesn’t even begin to describe my reality.
The lesson here is that anyone can become a lawyer and pass the bar. There are schools out there that will accept you for just sleeping through college and signing your John Hancock on the LSAT to get that 140.
The question is not can you go to law school to become a lawyer but should you? The answer for the vast majority of individuals is absolutely NO, you should not go to law school UNLESS you can get into a really good school, have connections in the legal profession ( an actual job) and can go to school on someone else’s dime ( scholarship, family money, etc.
Yes, there will be exceptions to the rule and outliers but I would rather go to Vegas and take my chances at the black jack table (better odds) than gamble my professional life away.
The vast majority of us cannot get into tier 1 or tier 2 schools, that’s just the reality. Be very careful with your choices. For every one person on here that says they graduated at the bottom of class or went to a low ranked law school and are now killing it there are probably 100 people on food stamps in Jersey City slingin’ rock trying to salvage their professional careers.
Slinging rock is wild but I get your sentiments
I work with highly ranked law school with high ranking and those in between. I went to a low ranked school and was middle of the pack. Those at my title level all earn the same. Not sure it’s prestigious, but it’s in-house and a decent salary and good WLB. I think some companies I interviewed with held biases but those were also the jobs that were posted forever (looking for something so specific). I do think it varies depending on the position and industry.
Can you please guide I’m struggling to get my first job as a paralegal?
GPA and your class rank don’t matter nearly as much as your law school’s ranking. I think it’s mainly a perception thing. Firms love throwing those T14 schools on their attorneys’ firm bios.
I went to a top 5 law school in the late 80’s. My best guess is that my best friend was last in the class. He got a position in big law (before it was called that).
Not that level, but went to a pretty good school, did shit (bottom quartile all 3 years I think), ground through midlaw, and got a respectable inhouse job this year.
Low gpa people in good firms are more efficient and will have better work life balance