{ "media_type": "text", "post_content": "Bonus season passed and I didn’t get one. They told me nobody did this year but I know thats untrue. A friend of mine is friends with an SVP/Accounts wife who told her how big her husbands was. Hate l", "post_id": "5acbf1092ef8c60018741fd1", "reply_count": 24, "vote_count": 6, "bowl_id": "5565cfca8b2b9a03009acf57", "bowl_name": "Advertising", "feed_type": "crowd" }

Bonus season passed and I didn’t get one. They told me nobody did this year but I know thats untrue. A friend of mine is friends with an SVP/Accounts wife who told her how big her husbands was. Hate l

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

So Bagel Tuesday’s isn’t a bonus????

like

Every year management says: Don't tell anyone that you got a bonus, not everyone gets one...

like

Account folks usually get the bonuses. The creatives and producers get the shaft. That’s because the account folks are the “business owners”. They’re responsible for the profitability of the account. Not entirely fair

like

I know at my last agency (NY), Account was much freer rewarding themselves than their creative 'partners.' That was true for promotions, raises and bonuses. There was an account promotion announced every month. I can't remember ever seeing a creative promotion. But I do remember seeing lots of emails from creatives saying, "Today's my last day..."

like

@Director- Oh that's on me? We're you there? We're you in the multiple, heated meetings with the MD? We're you in the multiple meetings that followed after we lost creatives? Just what do you know about it, mate?

like

I absolutely have not backpedaled. I stand by my first comment. you're mistaking being calm for being passive aggressive.

like

@CW1 you so spelled "were" wrong. Honestly, you have one job.

like

That person may have it in their contract. Which would be different than the general public getting a bonus.

Either way, yes - they’re lying

like

Bonus?

like

They lie. Someone did

like

Don’t fight guys. I was promised a 15% bonus in my deal as an svp. Didn’t get it. Others did. I can go ask our CCO if it’s something I did wrong but I honestly had a hell of a year. And I’ll just be told no one got bonuses. When Publicis (I said it) deal for SVPs is a 15% bonus and you don’t get one while others do, and you have no recourse to challenge this decision, it sucks. @Facebook, call me.

like

Let's be real, Account pads the shit out of their teams role, and tips the scale for them to benifit the most from the bonus system in a project before anyone else in the building has a clue what's going on.

I've been involved as a creative in winning more new business then I care to think about, and bonuses or even money for support staff aren't even in building let alone the on the table.

And if I loose another awesome project to some numnuts Acccount tool padding the fees on a great project, down to the point where a client kills it again, i'm going to go nuts.

Accounts and this BS are killing the industry, and loosing everyone clients, and everyone else is suffering.

like

Director: the best us, South American and European agencies have great account and planning departments but are run by creative leaders. Think about that before you snark. Wanna see what it looks like with creatives in charge? Ask Wieden, Forsman, Allmap, 72 and Sunny, Droga.

like

@D1 I've ben at smaller agencies where there were very limited accounts, and without a doubt it's chaos. Doesn't work well without the right people. There are really good account people out there, ones that are very genuinely embedded with the creatives, on and off the pitch. Ones who support creative in every way and want to learn how they can help sell the idea and help guide the creatives in building that toolkit for clients.

But it's rare and every agency has about 3 or 4 people all the creatives actually enjoy working with.

With that said, it's the other 200+ that I am speaking about. The 98% that are just not nescessary. This will change, and that new P&G deal that someone posted else where probably means the end of Accounts completely in nthe agency model. It will eliminate those 98% in time.

I have the same issue with bonuses that I have with awards, 80% of the people on the list had zero to do with anything on a project. There names shouldn't be there just because they head a department. People shouldn't get bonuses just because they are in a given department.

like

CW1 - that's on your creative leadership. it's not like account people just get to give themselves raises, their managers have to fight for them.

This was my first year not getting a bonus. No way there should be bonuses if you're not winning business, retaining staff and giving promotions.

Deep breaths CW1/"mate". My point was in correcting your (incorrect) take on "Account was freer in rewarding themselves/giving themselves promotions, bonuses, raises". That doesn't mean you/Creative leaders didn't fight for their people. It all ladders up beyond account and creative, so maybe don't blame your peers?

@Director: eye roll and groan at your overdone smugness. This is not about account people in general, it's about the account people at one particular agency. The agency leadership, unfortunately, was comprised, primarily, of account people. They were were more liberal with rewarding account people. Creatives were routinely submitted, paperwork filled out, follow-up emails sent, in person meetings had. Apparently, despite raises and promotions on the account side, the agency just couldn't justify or commit to raises or spot bonuses at that time because of shortfalls here and there. Let's just leave it there. It happened. Creatives left. Including me. Agency currently enjoys a poor reputation and has to rely on more freelancers than it should or it wants. I didn't say that's how it worked at every agency, or at every agency I've been. But it did happen. If you want to keep fighting about it we can. I have better things to do with my evening.

Honestly CW1, take the chip off your shoulder. There wasn't anything smug about my original comment or follow up. There was a lot angry about yours. Sorry you went through some things at your old agency but I'm assuming our dialogue isn't helping OP with their problem. ✌️

But you're not forthright. Forthright owns it. You backpedal. That's passive aggressive.

Related Posts

Last working day is in Mid October . Will I get bonus in this August. Some people say I’ll some say don’t. Please advise. EY GDS

like

Hi Fishes,
Please help me, what salary i expect in Global Reconciliation, after 2 years of experience.

like

ACDs in tech, what are your salary ranges if you live outside of SF + what city are you in? I’m in SF (big tech co) and given covid, been thinking about leaving but curious what numbers I would be looking at in Seattle vs LA or other cities with tech companies. Thank you!

like

Google QQ: Are verbal offers on compensation from google negotiable? Also presuming verbal offers are only made after clearance from HC?

like

Comp Inquiry for Facebook (Meta) - fish! Help me out. I’m a seasoned Program Manager. With more than 15 years of ERP Consulting experience from Deloitte. Looking to join FBs in a program Manager capacity for IT projects. What should I expect in terms of comp and benefits? I’m expecting at least 175k base with benefits. Not sure what to expect for joining and annual bonus. Appreciate your input and help!

How much in hand salary I will get in infosys for package.12 lpa with variable 10%? Please Help.

like

Any guidance on typical salary range for SM 3 ans SM4 ?

like

I have the opportunity to enter a private equity firm. What are the considerations I have to take before accepting the post? How’s the industry culture? Salary expectations? What to be careful of?

like

Hi all

I got a job at Dell Technologies as Senior Sales Analyst. It's time to negotiate a salary.

How much is a fair range to ask in Ireland?

Thanks a mill

like

Mid and Sr salary ranges in SF for ADs?

like

Hi when do we get quarterly variable bonus in TCS? I joined mid october and didnt receive any.

like

I have joined Barclays on 21st. There has not been any session from HR till now. I was expecting one to guide thru basic things like transferring PF, where to set salary account details etc.

like
like

For those of you who are no longer in programs, is the mid-year or final review that determines your bonus? Appreciate any insights!

like

Profile : Masters + 7 YOE Full Stack Developer. Got an offer for $120k base(No bonus) for a start up @ Toronto. Is it a good offer?

like

Hello. Has anyone worked for Change Healthcare as a nurse auditor? What is estimated salary? How is the schedule and work/life balance? Any other pros and cons. Thank you!

like
like

I have 2 YOE in tech consulting and am hoping to work as a paralegal at a tech company (possibly a start up) in NYC. What should I expect in terms of hours and total comp?

like

Hi fiserv,
How is bench policy in mphasis. I have heard that if you are more than one month on bench, you will not get salary till you are not assigned with any project. Is it true.

like

Does any one know the starting salary for an entry level hardware position in NYC (for both startups and FAANGs)? Also what's the difference in pay for someone with a BS or MS?

like

Additional Posts in Advertising

Happy Hanukkah! For those who are not Jewish, Hanukkah starts tonight. Teachers who are Jewish (or not), do any of you share, include or educate your students about the holiday?

like

CCTC 10LPA
4YOE

Worked in application support activity such as manual deployments as well as application demos to Clients. Will i have opportunities in any other companies ? What CTC can i expect?@

like

Do you really have to reveal your salary while in any interview? Is it a law that you should provide your pay stubs to prove your current package?

like

Does anyone have experience as a kyc analyst? I’m starting in 2 weeks and I’m super excited. Any advice?

like

Is Infosys retaining employees..?? If yes with how much hike offer..?? Had received call at the beginning of my notice period. He has told me he will come back again. By when they confirm the hike..?? Should we get retained at Infosys..??Infosys

like

Just moved to SF. Looking for the best way to meet people 25,F, single

like

What is the average salary for a market lead for a tech company?

Subletting my newly renovated 1-bedroom in a famous luxury building in FiDi until February 2022 (start date can be anytime august 15-September 1). State of the art extensive gym, washer/dryer in-unit and 24/7 doorman. $3,590/month. DM for pictures.

like

Please DM or reply if interested
Company Optum

Post Photo
like

Damn the Noogler 15 feels real. RTO will be lethal

like

Do any Kearny folks have insight on what the process is for country/office transfers? My friend recently got into the Seoul office (he has a Canadian passport but is native Korean), how easy would it be for him to transfer to Toronto in a couple of years?

like

What other ways are people generating passive income aside from dividends and real estate?

like

Folks whose h1 was picked in lottery, hav ur lawyers submitted documents to uscis. What documents they need frm client and frm u. What is last date to submit. Mine got picked but no word from lawyers

like

Can we start a thread for buy side equity (or fixed income) research / portfolio management compensation?
Base, bonus, YoE, general location, AUM, coverage universe / industry, firm type (bank, boutique, mutual fund, etc).

like

4th yr biglaw associate, plan to quit in spring. Don’t hate my job/firm, but want to move, travel & live a little for 12-15mo. No plans for after, but if I need $ what’s over/under on biglaw reentry?

like

What’s the easiest Oracle cert? I have experience as a PTP lead and RTR lead

like

Hello fellow Fishes,

Need likes to unlock DM. Your help would be appreciated a lot!

likeuplifting

ServiceNow or Workday as career? and Why?

like

I'll tell my one experience of many,

Recently was giving interview for Business /Digital transformation position.

Interviewer - tell me business model of cred , how they earn

Me- umm , they get some commission from on cc partners, they get user data which they can use for there analysis and offer them customised products in future.

Interviewer - no no not that

Me - ok yeah they have a shop section also. They get paid for on boarding different vendors on their platform. Continued

like

Which of these Johnston & Murphy boot should I get? Pics in comments

like

Additional Posts (overall)

Places like Facebook, Google, Youtube all have their job portal but do they ever pick from that or do they pick thru referrals? I haven't heard any stories of someone getting picked from the portals

like

AP tweets. Internet responds promptly and appropriately.

Post Photo
likeuplifting

ACDs in tech, what are your salary ranges if you live outside of SF + what city are you in? I’m in SF (big tech co) and given covid, been thinking about leaving but curious what numbers I would be looking at in Seattle vs LA or other cities with tech companies. Thank you!

like

Experiential agencies... How you doing? What ARE you doing? I used to be in experiential and loved it, now I wonder if it can survive. Best of luck, friends.

like

Dude on the subway keeps brushing his hair like every 3 minutes. It's barely longer than his eye brows! Why????? People annoy me.

like

Hey NYC 🐠, who’s coming to happy hour @ Toad Hall tonight? :) 6PM!

like

I’m hearing from multiple trustworthy sources that Gary Vee used to be a rabbit. I’m wondering what the rabbit —> CCO journey looks like for anyone else who’s been down that path.

likefunny

Is droga5 hiring?

like

Which department/team/group have the best growth potential and opportunities career wise? Ex: planning, buying, strategy, data analytics, research ?

like

Best agencies to work at as a media buyer?

like

Why the f$&*k can we get anything out the door!!! 🤯🤬

like

I only get invited to meetings so we can bill clients more :(

like

Any opinions in Assembly?

like

What do we think of Miami Ad School (NYC)? Best way to put together your book and make contacts/get work in the industry coming from the outside?

like

What’s the agency scene like in Salt Lake City? Is it worth relocating there?

like

I had Shake Shack tonight and it was glorious. 🍔

like

Who wants tell to tell me if they “get” what i’ve been working on? need fresh eyes. in too deep

like

Layoffs at Ogilvy NYC...

likehelpful

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
Download Fishbowl to see what others are saying
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the Fishbowl app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.

Already have an account? Log in

New to Fishbowl?

image with Fishbowl logo and arms reaching out for a handshake

Already have an account? Log in

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.
Messaging rates may apply

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal