Got approached by another agency (media) regarding a Director role. Somewhat nice client and benefits +30%, but when the offer came, salary and responsibility were as discussed but title downgraded to Associate Director.

Hiring manager told me he got pushback against my years of experience, but they still went ahead with salary and task description of a director. Should I consider it?

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

Hmm I don’t have the wisdom to tell you the right answer, but I can tell you what my thought would be. If they are offering a salary that you thought was fair for director but giving you a lower title that would put you in a better position for raises internally and when you move. Titles definitely open doors, but the money is what really talks

like

Is the reporting structure the same as discussed? Will you have the same boss regardless of title? If everything stays the same except title, ACD1 is right: you’re actually in a better position.

like

Keep in mind it’s unlikely (or impossible) you will be promoted in the first 12-24 months, so if the title bugs you that much you may be annoyed for a while. But the money sounds like it’s worth taking!

Honestly, title inflation is so variable across different agencies that this shouldn’t hold you back from the right level in future jobs. I once “skipped” two levels with a job change because I was coming from an agency with a more flattened structure so had accumulated a ton of experience that hadn’t been reflected yet in my title. It sounds like sort of the opposite is happening for you… if this place is able to pay you 30% more at the same title, it probably means your title is inflated at your current place.

like

If your job description has you performing at a director level that would give me pause to take a lower title, after a while you’ll get annoyed that you’re performing and expected to perform at a level above what you’re getting credit for

like

Agree with AS. But it depends a lot on the agency. A few things to consider… 1 is that raises may actually be harder to get if you’re outside the AD band. Another is that even a promotion may come without a big bump because they’ll say you’re already paid like a Director. And 3rd is if you need to move clients, it may be hard for another account to take you on as an AD without hurting their margin. Though maybe that will be a reason to promote you to Director if you do well in your first role.

On the other hand, a 30% bump in base is a good chunk o’ chock full o’ nuts. So maybe if you’re ok with it, no need to overthink it.

like

Who cares about title. Take the 30%.

like

Our of curiosity, how many years of exp do you have?

like

Money money money, you work in media, plenty of jobs and opportunities to move up eventually. If it doesn’t work out move on because the next role you will have a 30% higher salary to start from.

It’s hard enough to be in media and get that big jump nowadays as it’s becoming more commoditized and in housing.

like

I think the bigger thing that’s being missed here is the red flag regarding a lack of transparency. They weren’t up front before making the offer, they just threw it at you in hopes the money would outweigh everything else. Is that where you want to work? I did this very thing once, and found myself in a miserable, toxic environment.

Related Posts

Hi Folks,
Can you help me out with the work culture, Work life balance and job security in BNYMT(BKT) / Inautix for longer tenure, i am holding around 6.5yr of exp for lead data engineer position. BNY Mellon Corporation #banking

like

What are the perks of joining Oracle ? Like Broadband reimbursement, monitor , mobile, wfh set up etc ?

like

How much are dental office managers making these days in NYC?

like
like

I'm a third year plaintiff's employment law attorney and I'm looking to move to defense, preferably still in employment law. I received an offer from a midsize firm that primarily focuses on PI with little-to-no employment law practice, so I'll have a bit of a learning curve. Offer is $90k, billable hours of 2100. Is this reasonable? I'm dead-set on leaving my current job, and this would be a $20k pay increase - which makes me believe I'm leaning towards taking it for those reasons only.

likesmart

Rate my offer for a business valuations associate role at a boutique firm in Toronto:
- $90k + ~7.5% annual performance bonus
- $5k in clawback reimbursement
- will pay all professional fees throughout term of employment (CPA & CBV)

My background:
- SA1 in assurance
- Master of Accounting
- passed CFE, qualify in about half a year
- enrolled in CBV program of studies
- 24 yrs old

like

So the bonus at Salesforce is pretty much same 15% for everyone ?

Salary range for associate??

Deloitte senior manager salary in Singapore?
Base and bonus breakup will be great. Thank you.

like

I’m a very experienced veterinary assistant who has been doing this job for about 4 years in total however because of my skill level I would say I am more of an unlicensed technician. I’m looking for input on what I should ask for a raise. Given the minimum wage, I make about $5 over but that hasn’t really changed to match inflation of living, etc and truly feel like I should be making a decent amount more given my skills. Any helpful advice?

like

Hi All

Does Pwc revise an offer if we have another offer in hand?

like

Deloitte peeps (especially federal travelers): what's the policy if your flight home is delayed? Can you expense a hotel/per diem for Friday?

Hi all. I am SAP PLM Associate Consultant.

My current CTC is 4.7 LPA.
Experience 1.8 yrs

How much should I ask for job switch?
Kindly guide.

like

Can anyone give me a referral for ABSCI ?I applied for a HR manager position. Thank you.

like

What is expected salary of experienced Data Analyst ?

like

What happens if I book an alt trip for the weekend after I roll off but book it while I’m still on the project?

like

What is the structure of the interview process for AMC position at Mastercard Pune?
How should one prepare for it?

Also if someone could share the CTC range, that would be helpful too!

like

Hi! I’m looking for a position as a BDR or AE in a, preferably, tech leaning companies. Are you guys aware of any open positions? Remote preferably. 6 years of experience.

like

Can someone refer me for Trainers role in Barclays Pune??

Post Photo
like

More Posts

Any idea about google project in HCL ?

like

Hi Fishes, Pls help,
YOE: 13 yrs
Cctv: 13 lpa

Have cleared HCL interview. Initially they offered 23 lpa (via proposed offer letter, to be approved by L4), but i requested to reconsider it for 25 lpa. After 5 days, they sent final offer letter of 19 lpa (stating they can offer max 50% as per L4 approval).

I don't have any other offer as of now. What should I do?

like

Any news on vedder price? I’ve heard they didn’t fire anyone during COVID but have also heard it’s a sweatshop. Any insight to their litigation team would be helpful, thanks!

like

Been trying to find a new job because $112k just doesn't seem right for 3+ years as an Eng 3. On the east coast wanting to move out to California. Not getting many bites. Do employers ignore applications for people who would need to relocate?

likefunny

Need help how is @fujitsu as a company for sap Consultants ? Implementation project environment ?
I got an offer of 22 lpa
But I m happy in my current company also .. wanted to do implementation that y I m in dillema

like

Can we stay long term in nagarro for about 3-4 years thinking about it any suggestions

like

Hi Fishes,
I have total 2 years of experience as a ServiceNow Developer. I am planning to switch from Accenture to other organization but I am not sure which offer should I take?

Infosys Or Wipro - having the same offer around 12 lpa

Which of the above organization will be a better for learning and growing opportunity as a ServiceNow Developer? Which one of the above is better?

like
like

What are tips to stop “hate scrolling,” ie looking at social media opinions/profiles that conflict w your own? Sometimes I find myself doing it just to feel something, but I know it’s bad.

like

I am moving to Bangalore the next weekend, by 17th July. Seems there is a slight increase in covid cases, would it be better to come now or should I ask my manager to come to office after some weeks once everything seems fine?

like

Does anyone know the work hours for a virtual financial advisor - national branch, for the Tempe location?

like
likehelpful

Tax Senior here. I’m well liked around the office, I put in the hours and work hard, I haven’t had any dumpster fire projects, but I am a mediocre performer compared to my peers (not as strong project management, communication, not as confident). I just got told they’re firing me. Should I expect severance? Have other people been fired for similar? What did you do with your career?

like

How much Paid Time Off is "normal" for entry level instructional designers? Coming from public education I am surprised at what is being offered in my interviews. Is 15 days PTO and 5 sick days "normal"?

like
like

Hi ,

Please help me in Unlocking Direct Message by Liking this post.

Thanks In Advance !

like

Any tips for new year plan for working singles! for 2- 3 days

like

Kudos to the man on the train next to me who has his ticket around his neck, his glasses in his hand and a full sleeping mask on. 😴

like

I’m looking for some new things to read or listen to — doesn’t need to be ad-related. Books, podcasts, whaddya got?
I’m not really into fiction, but open to anything. Last books I enjoyed were Junior and Moonwalking with Einstein, last podcast I binged was Startup (Gimlet).

like

Not many people seem to care about those agency of the year titles anymore. Especially in the past 2 to 3 years. Even to the winners. Right?

like

Additional Posts in Advertising

Has anyone received a job offer after being initially ghosted by recruiter? How long did you not hear from them? Feeling down after not hearing anything for 2 weeks after a round of seemingly promising interviews.

like

Have layoffs been finished for the year or are more coming?

like

Laid off, 10 years exp, tired of acct management. Feel so lost. Don't want to go back to agency side. What should I do? I feel like 💩

like

Here’s to hoping the start of the new Serena Lincoln navigator ad is the end of the Mathew mcconaughey Lincoln Navigator ads

likefunny

What are your thoughts on leaving a stable but unfulfilling job for another one during these times?

like

Does anyone feel weird in the DEI space for all the identity politics of representation (which I understand progress is progress!) but it’s still within the system of capitalism because this is still... advertising? - coming from a BIPOC

like

Any tricks for keeping up with social content trends? Anyone know of a site that tracks them?

like

What should I make my freelance rate for a copywriter that has Internship and college writing experience?

like

Do agencies rent spaces out in places like WeWork to give teams some autonomy away from the office?

like

Going in house is the move, right?

like

Did anyone else watch Netflix's Chasing Coral and now they're considering leaving advertising to do some good in the world? Just me?

like

Are CPGs pushing more faux-health benefits than before?
Or is society catching up to the bs?

Post Photo
like

Question: we have an art director who is pretty senior, really good, but is now lazy as hell, avoiding projects and collecting a paycheck. What does the team do?

like

Anyone participate in the 4A's Institute? Philly presentations are coming up this week! Any recommendations?

like

If you got fired today would you have a Bach up plan? What would it be?

like

Confession: Sometimes I give money to homeless people that look like they might be an undercover billionaire looking for a kind soul to leave their fortune to. Does that make me a bad person?

like

What’s your creative side-project?

like

If you're a junior and you come into the fold with a shitty attitude off the rip, you will get none of the good briefs. Don't you get that?!

like

Saturday night live is getting good again.

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal