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I have noticed a few things.... 1. Very hierarchical (i.e. a manager won’t contribute to the work because he thinks it’s a lower ranks job), 2. Not asking for help when it’s needed (i.e. thinking that you can’t ask a lower rank for info if you don’t know the answer), 3. Over engineering literally everything (i.e. you want to order lunch? Better make a tracker for it!) and just general rudeness
EY OP that is my experience too. Esp Ms thinking they are too good to take notes or make slides or consult their team
@EY 1: in defence of the Ms out there, slides and notes are the fundamentals of consulting. If you’re in the room with your M and they’re facilitating, them it should be natural that you do the slides/ notes. Even as an M when I go to meetings with Partners, if I’m the most junior person in the room, I’m the one doing the slides and notes...it’s not about being too good for it, it’s just the natural roles people assume in this world
There isn’t a culture? Idk at least not in my office
Hated Accenture. Tbh
Accenture leadership is kind of the worst. So people who work at Accenture are influenced and learn from terrible leaders
Think deliotte: high pressure, backstabbing, up or out etc
Agree with the backstabbing, not sharing to sabotage behavior. Also agree that as most junior person, you’re expected to organize and take notes but dude you can take your personal notes too. Like supplement, in case I miss/ mishear something. Only human
EY 1 I am so glad to hear it’s not just me
I’m a SM3 with Accenture. I can attest that we tend to over-engineer. It’s part of our DNA.
That’s not always the case at Accenture when the M doesn’t get hands on to take notes or help the team. You have those characters in every form. I wouldn’t say is Accenture specific.
How do they act that is different
@OP agreed...some times I find we don’t drill it enough into the M+ population that when time calls for it, roll up your sleeves and get it done...granted that concept of rolling up the sleeve as an M was taught to me by an M at ACN...so I guess it’s really geo and people dependent
OP, I've noticed the same with the ex-A folks I work with. I'm totally generalizing and it's not all the time but they can be a little rude, snarky, not follow protocol, etc.
You notice they are ex Accenture, and probably for a reason. That kind of behavior is not tolerated in my group, but like any large company, there will be some. Sounds like you got some bad apples.
Accenture really doesn’t have a culture to be honest - depends on the group. Coming from deloitte, it’s dif but refreshing. Not saying Deloitte was bad, just different.
@BCG1 totally not it. I know it’s my job to do what my manager doesn’t want to do. But I do EVERYTHING my manager is supposed to do. He knows nothing and won’t ask for help, so instead of trying to learn, he passes his work off to the rest of the team. Then when the work gets done, he takes credit for it. The small things that he actually could do on his own, he refuses to do. So he ends up doing nothing. And then when he does actually do something and inevitably makes a mistake, he wants to seem like the amazing manager he pretends he is (by taking credit for our work) and blames the lower level people on the team for it.
@op become a manager. And become a better manager
I was at EY before, I found the big difference is the retention rate (ppl stay at Accenture for longer or full careers) and the genuine care for ERGs but that may be office specific
@Deloitte 1 - I totally get what you are saying (and I think you’re right) and I am more than happy to pay my dues and do the grunt work like slides and notes. I think in this case it’s more about them not being willing to do these things when the situation might call for them to pitch in. For example, my team was facilitating some client sessions and my manager was the only one not to present (which is weird anyway) but I feel like he should have taken that opportunity to do some of the small things that needed to be completed, given no one else had the time to do them. It’s been my experience that some managers won’t do any of the little contributions, even when they are literally doing nothing else.
OP: what I got out of this is that you feel it’s unfair that you have to do things your manager doesn’t want to do. I think that’s normal