I applied to a position that didn’t mention the salary range in the job description, the role sounded perfect for me, so I decided to go for it. And I was excited when I received an offer. Until I saw the ridiculously low salary. I submitted a counteroffer and said I was willing to negotiate further so that we could find a salary everyone was happy with. Their response? “Are these negotiations really about the money, or you wanting to feel valued?” Can someone explain the difference to me?

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Both, I want to be valued and I want to be paid a fair wage.

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Exactly!

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I have nearly 20 years in the welding industry. I’ve seen a lot and have already been through the school of grind it out and do it again. In my opinion you pay for that 20 years of experience. If it’s entry level work then expect the same in compensation but if it requires experience and knowledge in the field then that doesn’t come for free. Welders say, good welders aren’t cheap and cheap welders aren’t good.

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It would take serious chemistry. I think it might be there. I just don't know!

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I could explain it and in the end there’s maybe a little legitimacy and a lot of smokescreen. I’m curious how you could go through the process that far without bringing it up. At the last it’s a red flag for you if they don’t bring it up. But it’s your responsibility to look about for yourself. I guarantee at least one interview ended with “do you have any questions?” And you didn’t think to ask that?

15 years is inordinately long. Though, the former half was good.

I would tell them that a company’s goal is to maximize profit; immediately after saying that, tell them that you are your own company: you need to maximize your take home! This is why I try to stay away from companies that don’t list the salary range.

Shit.

You feel the salary he offered is low….. this is my salary…… done

I can only speak for myself but my suggestion is to let them know your value and your experience, ways you work smarter and not harder, ways that you can save the company money by your experience and how well you know the subject matter and ask for a bit above their top amount. You should feel valued and respected at any job. But a fair salary is important but I also think it’s crass that after an employer sinks money into onboarding and you’re already looking for another job just because of pay, it’s a no win situation. If they can’t get you to a salary that would keep you there or their benefits just don’t appeal to you enough to keep you, or the culture isn’t something that appeals to you, don’t take the job. Look remote. Looks elsewhere. But don’t waste anyone’s time. But if think you’d give it your absolute best for at least two years, then explain your experience. I did that where I am now. I know I am very good at some aspects of my job and they wouldn’t have to spend countless hours training me. Just show me how your software works or how you use applications I already know. I am paid well about the local average. I’m very content where I am and I am good with that. They offered me a similar role I have experienced with but I declined because this role paid more and I could start sooner. And I’m happy in my role. Speak up confidently and let them know the value you will bring them by other work you can do for them or how they will save on training costs. Point out your value and know your worth and you’ll be good. Best of luck!

They wanted to know if they could pay the difference in pizza parties.

You're first mistake was applying for a job that didn't advertise a salary

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That was a smartass response to your very professional suggestion! The question now is whether he is the one you would be reporting to if you came to an agreeable salary? If he is, just know you are stuck with his personality AND that salary! People normally don't quit their company, they quit because of their supervisor. If you didn't have a job and got an offer, I'd be tempted to take it while still looking for the right job.

The difference is that you can feel valuable knowing your abilities and what you can do, but work poorly because they don't want to pay for it.

There's not, that's a throwaway line to see if someone will drop the negotiation because they're desperate for work.
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"I believe that being compensated fairly is considered the basis of feeling valued at work. I don't see myself ever feeling valued if I'm not at the very least being paid a fair market value for my skills and experience. I am willing to negotiate the salary, and include incremental raises over the next 6 months (or w/e timeframe you feel is appropriate) to get to my desired salary. I would feel more confident in accepting the offer if there were a plan in place to get us to a location where we both feel the value and compensation for my work is appropriate."

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