I don't believe in negotiating my salary because I feel like starts you off on the wrong foot by making you seem greedy. Also, you haven't proven anything yet. I'd much rather negotiate my salary in my performance review after I showed the team what I'm worth. I feel like this is the way it should be, but idk if I'm being stupid because I'm setting myself up for failure...

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You will leave thousands of dollars on the table throughout your career this way. Time value of money

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I believe that most prospective employers expect candidates to come back with some sort of counter.

I also believe that employers are unlikely to go in with their best offer- they have a budget and are likely prepared to go higher. There are other things on the table that can be discussed as well like PTO, incentives, pensions, etc.

If you settle for what they offer, then you may be setting yourself up for future "settle for" settings.

Don't sell yourself short. Know your worth. If/when you both come to an agreement, both parties are in a good position to begin.

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Most employers want to get you for as low as they possibly can. They are in the business of saving money so if everybody works for free they're happier. They only have to compete for good talent with other companies and that is what drives salaries up. If they do not need great talent and can fulfill a role with less than great talent then your salary will not be as high and you don't have the negotiating power. This is really simple business practices. So if you really want a high salary make sure you're going for a coveted job and you have everything it takes because it's still a matter of competing with other people. That means you have to have the know-how of how to navigate the job successfully, make your boss happy and such that he or she does not have to manage you, and then you just have to have a very positive attitude and really blow away the next guy. For example if you want to make $120,000 but the boss thinks they can get somebody to basically do the job for $100,000 then you are just not going to get the $120,000. Maybe they will offer you 115,000 but if you think that you can continue negotiating, you might not have a like to stand on. It is true that sometimes they might expect you to negotiate but truly think about it and understand that if I'm running a business I went to lower my labor cost as much as possible. Now the other course is that if you are looking for 125,000 and you got it, then you may just get minimal raises regardless.

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I have yet to be with a company where I provide statistics on why I deserve a raise or to renegotiate my salary and they have accepted that. Instead, they give me my 3% annual raise and a pat on the ass and say “Go gett’em champ!”

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1000%. You have to negotiate right at the beginning. Your starting wage is the measuring stick that all future promotions will be based off.

This is 100% wrong. Negotiation is normal. In most companies the negotiation is forgotten before you even start, and often has nothing to do with your direct manager anyway. There's no replacement for starting as high as you can, and there's no guarantee of that later raise. Your a kind actor in a heartless, capitalist system. You will not come out better off for it.

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I am in the process of a job opportunity. I am working with a recruiter from a reputable company. The pay is good. During our conversation, he asked what my range was and mentioned the potential for other positions they may have. I didn't give him a number, but he gave me one to which I stated it is all dependent on the role, my ability to perform the work and making sure it's a good fit. I said I would be willing to accept the number he proposed. It was still a respectable amount IMO. I also called his bluff. I said are you asking because you really have other roles or are you asking to see if I will take less for the role we are discussing? He admitted it was more so for that role. I respect his efforts for his client, and I feel he was presenting the question how it worked best for his field. I just caught on and turned it back around to where I turned out to be correct in his reason for asking. I don't know if that was the right thing to do, but I wanted him to know that he isn't dealing with a dummy and maybe that created some respect from his end. Don't sell yourself short and don't give in no matter how desperate you might be. In the end, I know what I need to make to live, and if the position is demanding, I expect the pay to reflect that. Good luck!

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You need to do some personal development work/therapy around your sense of self worth and communicating in a positive voice. Negotiations should be a conversation. You are absolutely setting yourself up for failure.

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100% false, I negotiated for a higher starting salary, and that was the last increase I got for 2 years. Despite being given “rockstar kudos” in the form of performance awards, raises were withheld by the company across the board due to “market conditions”. You don’t know what is gonna happen a year from now, the work you provide should be compensated based on the value you bring today. 

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This is why I do not apply for any positions that don't reveal a salary range. Why should I have to guess what the salary range is. So, if I guess close to or a little over the top end, then I'm already disqualified.

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Don’t do this. I did this as a naive young person many years ago, and no matter how much they gave me raises and pay adjustments, I was still woefully way behind for my salary range and level of experience/expertise for almost 20 years. Other managers saw that and probably assumed that I was the bottom of the barrel talent, but that wasn’t true. I just didn’t understand negotiations. No-one will care enough to push your salary higher after you are hired - unless you leave for a higher-paying position elsewhere.

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Same.

Dear OP - you don’t know your worth. Employers will lowball any candidate with the expectation of negotiation. What you have listed on your resume shows your worth but you have to solidify it in the interview(s) which should translate to the compensation you know you deserve.

Also, EVERYTHING is negotiable.

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You should change that type of mindset, think about professional athletes. Sure get the league minimum and prove yourself because your a rookie

But it’s different story if you have years of experience that can deliver

I rather get a High Salary and then fired if I don’t perform well. Than to get a low salary and prove my worth.

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Amen! 👏

If somebody is asking you for $30,000 for used car and you are going to offer them $28,000 would you consider that greedy?

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You must be young in your career to think that performance negotiations will get you much.

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Spoken like a true manager and not a entry-level position.

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A company is likely never going to pay someone their worth if they aren't pressured to do so. There job is too make the company profit margin as big as they can. It's not greedy to stand up for yourself. And from my own lessons learned, with that mentality you'll find that ten years later you make less than the people working less senior roles than you and those who've only been working there for three years. And the bitterness and resentment are real.

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I asked for 10K more than wanted knowing the recruiter would want to show they negotiated me down. So they did and I got what I wanted.

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Getting hired is the single best chance you will have during your career with the company to inrease your pay. The only thing that even comes close is if you're on your way out the door, and they offer you a pay bump to stay. Of course at that point the relationship has been damaged. I actually dislike negotiating my starting pay, primarily because that is my job as procurement guy, and what would they think of my negotiating skills if I can't even do so when it benefits my own personal interest?

If you are truly a rock star, you can negotiate afterwards

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In 30+ years working in different fields, I have never seen a situation where a person accepted the offered salary which was too low and then “renegotiated” their salary after “proving themselves.” That just does not happen in the real world.

If I am approached by a recruiter with a job opportunity, the very first thing I ask, is the name of the company, the location of the office and the salary range. And I tell them, “once I have the answers to those three questions I will be able to tell you whether it makes sense to move forward or not .“ more often than not I decline to move forward because it does not meet my criteria. I have never gotten a negative response or resistance. If anything, it shows them that I have standards for myself and I am not desperate. You should never get to the point where you have an offer on the table and that’s the first clue you have as to the salary. 

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i'm curious to know your gender. I asked this because women are far far less likely to negotiate salary statistically, which is not the dominant factor on why women are underpaid in the workplace, but it is also a factor. Know your worth and be willing to ask for it. That last sentence applies regardless of gender.

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I agree that’s the way it should be but that’s not the way it works you salary at a company will 100% be based on what they hired you in at and if you spend a decade at a company it’s more likely than not that new hires are making significantly more than you are.

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Yup- salary compression is not motivational.

Keep shooting yourself in the foot you will never make up what you lose at the beginning of a new position. Your arrogance doesn't line up with an HR 3.5% max

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