I don't believe in negotiating my salary because I feel like starts you off on the wrong foot by making you seem greedy. Also, you haven't proven anything yet. I'd much rather negotiate my salary in my performance review after I showed the team what I'm worth. I feel like this is the way it should be, but idk if I'm being stupid because I'm setting myself up for failure...

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You will leave thousands of dollars on the table throughout your career this way. Time value of money

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I believe that most prospective employers expect candidates to come back with some sort of counter.

I also believe that employers are unlikely to go in with their best offer- they have a budget and are likely prepared to go higher. There are other things on the table that can be discussed as well like PTO, incentives, pensions, etc.

If you settle for what they offer, then you may be setting yourself up for future "settle for" settings.

Don't sell yourself short. Know your worth. If/when you both come to an agreement, both parties are in a good position to begin.

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Most employers want to get you for as low as they possibly can. They are in the business of saving money so if everybody works for free they're happier. They only have to compete for good talent with other companies and that is what drives salaries up. If they do not need great talent and can fulfill a role with less than great talent then your salary will not be as high and you don't have the negotiating power. This is really simple business practices. So if you really want a high salary make sure you're going for a coveted job and you have everything it takes because it's still a matter of competing with other people. That means you have to have the know-how of how to navigate the job successfully, make your boss happy and such that he or she does not have to manage you, and then you just have to have a very positive attitude and really blow away the next guy. For example if you want to make $120,000 but the boss thinks they can get somebody to basically do the job for $100,000 then you are just not going to get the $120,000. Maybe they will offer you 115,000 but if you think that you can continue negotiating, you might not have a like to stand on. It is true that sometimes they might expect you to negotiate but truly think about it and understand that if I'm running a business I went to lower my labor cost as much as possible. Now the other course is that if you are looking for 125,000 and you got it, then you may just get minimal raises regardless.

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It's less likely to land salary bumps from within an organization than a company trying to incorporate someone into their portfolio.... then again, I've also never gone out and tried to prove to a company my worth by applying and competing against other candidates. I've always been either self employed or had recruiters approach me trying to have me leave my current employer. Yes, I'll always negotiate in the interview stage. I know my worth... otherwise, they would be approaching me and might be different if the position was reversed and I was seeking an employer.

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My brother in law -- who is now a VP at his company -- will tell you that he's negotiated quite a few times. I've even done it, when I've been able to.

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This is an ok strategy if you've never had a job before, but your title says manager, so I'm assuming you have some years of experience. You are only hurting yourself. So, yes, to answer your semi question, you're being stupid. You will notice that most positions are posted with a range for the pay. This is generally what the budget is allowing for. This can be negotiated even higher if you have skills that let you hit the ground running with almost no training. Your salary should be based on your skill set, years of experience, and what you are going to do for the company. Most of us should be making out at the top of the budget for the position when starting a new job. Always, always, always negotiate your salary. Most of the time, you get what you ask for.

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Much easier to get the bump up front than after the fact.

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You see I'm in the same position I was hired to be a maintenance manager but in the meantime whether the hotel was under construction I was helping the maintenance guy at the current property well during that time they discovered that I know how to do many many trades and have many skills so she decided to keep me at the current property that I work at in Fairbanks and gave the management position to a person of lesser experience and lesser education than I yes I make my own schedule but more money of course would be much better what am I to do also I have stopped a lot of outsourcing by being able to repair and perform tasks that weren't being performed by the previous maintenance guy or the current maintenance guy maintenance manager I should say cuz I'm the maintenance guy whatever I'm kind of set beside myself on it I don't want to screw the boat because I love my job but at the same time I need to be paid when I'm worth I must add I've worked here just at a year now

It's quite all right to negotiate a price, especially based off of your experience, when you're getting interviewed you have to talk about your experience, based off of your resume, they know your experiences and what you're qualified for, so it's okay like others have said to know your worth and negotiate the price that you believe your worth, don't let them sell you short, I wish I have known that a long time ago.

That is why you will not make any more money than what is on the JD.

Only time you actually have the power to negotiate.

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