I feel empty and hate my job. I am passionate about privacy law, 1st Am, gaming, but with COVID happening when I graduated and colleagues getting offers revoked due to budget cuts, I took first job I could which was an immigration firm I interned at — long story short it was and remained shit pay, I was manipulated be taken advantage of by the bosses, so I took the first job I could to escape and get paid better — recruiter reached out for an ID firm, I figured it’d be good experience. (Cont)

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Or consider law-related jobs that aren't specifically practicing law. I got out after 5 years of commercial litigation (I absolutely hated it) into a field I'm absolutely passionate about, law firm marketing. Perhaps you might try ONE more firm in a different area, just to make sure it's the type of work or firm you hate and not the actual daily practice of law. Then get out and find something else. Life's too short to be miserable every day. It'll grind you down.

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Great jobs are definitely out there!! It sounds like you’ve had a problem with jumping at the first slightly better opportunity instead of only looking at positions that you’re truly interested in. I’d sit down and picture your dream job. Then work backwards to figure out how to get there. What experiences do you need, what networks do you have to build to get to where you want to go? You might need to do some pro bono work or get some certifications or take some CLEs. Or maybe you need to join some committees or go to some conferences. Once you’ve figured out a plan, go do it!

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(Cont) it’s better pay but I either feel like a zombie or like I’m wasting away and not making the world a better place at all, that I have no positive impact on the world or people. The people here are great and I love my mentor/supervisor/team leader but this work is chipping away at me. If I’m doing this a year from now I feel like I’ll quit or off myself (sorry for the bluntness) I also get jealous at my husband who loves his job and is eager to go to work everyday whereas I dread it. If I ever want to be happy do I need to accept happiness comes with crappy pay or is there a way to make decent money and be semi happy with your work life? Sorry this turned into a ramble of a rant…..

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I felt this. You need to take time and really figure out what it is you want to do and chase that relentlessly. Your dream job/career IS out there. You too can feel what your husband feels every day, but you’ll have to put in the work and make moves. Don’t lead with salary, but rather, lead with what will be a good fit. Even if you have to take a pay cut, don’t worry—you will make that money back. I have lived what you are feeling and it is not sustainable nor is it conducive to a healthy life. You are worthy of better! Don’t settle!

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Decent jobs with good pay are out there! In your shoes I would take some time to think through what you like and dislike about all your past roles and come up with a list of must haves for your next job. Also, spend some time planning and working toward your goal job. Eg, if you want to get into privacy law, network with lawyers doing that work, attend CLEs, consider getting a certification, etc. None of this happens overnight but if you're working toward a goal, I think you'll find you can weather your day-to-day a bit easier.

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