I feel like we talk a lot about ethics in business from a liberal standpoint - but what if that Colorado baker just really didn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding because they don't believe in equal marriage?

Like who gets to decide what’s moral and what’s ethical?

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That's a question at the heart of the Masterpiece CakeShop case that went to the Supreme Court a couple of years ago, and set off a debate across the country among civil rights groups, religious groups and politicians...and even members of the court. I think it's up to each person to decide for themselves what's ethical, what's moral...but to have any credibility at all, each person's view has to be considered against the backdrop of the society they live in -- if your personal view on morality is something that's at odds with the law, or at odds with at least the vast majority of your peers, you're going to be viewed as unethical/immoral by others...even if you think you're being ethical.

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Exactly. Ethics do not equal legality.

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