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💥If I’m a T2/MBB/Big4 recruiter and find out a candidate accepted with us, reneged before the start date, and is joining a competitor consulting firm instead, what stops me from messaging that other recruiting team & letting them know this is a “bad Apple”? Experienced hire recruiting, where universities regulations aren’t in play?

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This is why we can’t stand recruiters OP. They provide the absolute least possible amount of transparency throughout the whole process, frequently ignore qualified candidates due to their own lack of experience/knowledge around what the job actually entails, and are often rude to candidates (ghosting, slow response, etc), yet expect those candidates to display the utmost professionalism or risk getting dinged.

If the recruiting process was more transparent, situations like this would be less common. I’d be willing to bet that this person went through the whole process (dedicating significant time and effort), then right at the end found out that either, 1) salary didn’t align with expectations, 2) the role wasn’t as initially advertised, or 3) their promotion path wasn’t as clear as expected. They were likely in a situation were they had no choice but to accept or risk having no job at all (probably after also being given an absurdly short amount of time to make a potentially life-changing decision), then later received an offer which actually aligned with expectations.

Unless you have absolutely no professionalism, personal pride, or empathy, you shouldn’t call this person out. You don’t know what was going on behind the scenes, and like all of us, they probably just wanted to make a decision that would make them and their family happy. And like I said, this probably could have all been avoided if recruiters actually cared about placing people into jobs that are a good fit rather than shoehorning as many candidates as possible into random roles in order to maximize their own commissions.

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Agree .. it is recruiters and client market now. The demand( no of unemployed ) is more than supply(jobs) and Honestly I had very bad experience with recruiters since pandemic.. I had to chase every morning for status updates and process .. all due to lack of professionalism or not being transparent. But you network only makes difference..

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I did this. Got an offer from a T2 firm before MBB structured hiring came around, asked for longer to think about it, T2 said no, then applied to MBB, got an offer, reneged on T2.

Now I'm in I know this - if you told on me to my MBB firm, we wouldn't give a sh1t. Recruiting is competitive.

Your time would be better spent figuring out why they reneged rather than being vindictive. In my case it was simply timing, an easy fix, which T2 fixed for the next time around.

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If the candidate was honest about it with everyone involved, it’d generally be fine. If there’s lying involved it can be an issue. We had one candidate defer with the other firm (rather than decline) saying they were going to do some sort of public service work for a year (I forget the details exactly) with a clear plan that they’d take that offer if it didn’t work out with us; they lost both jobs.

Integrity matters. Reneging on an offer isn’t the worst thing in the world and we all understand circumstances change, but it also shouldn’t be taken lightly.

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As a recruiter, you know that a company will rescind an offer or fire an employee for any reason or no reason at all, so please don’t get all high and mighty when a candidate decides to take a better offer before they’ve ever stepped foot inside your company.

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This

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Professionalism?

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Why is there all this talk of “burning bridges” then on reneged offers? Who‘s doing the burning if everyone’s that nice?

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If you are this resentful at work, I don't want to imagine your personal relationsips

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I think OP is talking hypothetically here

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To clarify I am the candidate in this context, wanted to see if this is something that’s done

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Do you really think you matter enough for anyone to care? And possibly open themselves to lawsuits?

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The fact that screwing with their life (even as revenge) isn’t going to make your job any easier.

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You’re ruining someone’s career because you feel pissed? Do us a favor of changing profession before you do more damage to the rest of us. @sshole

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Nothing stops you, but why would you even care? If he was willing to dip so quickly, isn't it better he left before being paid to be trained?

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Why would you care if a competing firm gets a bad apple?

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Also opens your firm up to legal action if the employee finds out they lost the job because your firm was bad mouthing them to their new employer. I would ask HR before you do anything or you might find yourself looking for new employment

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P1, agree, was just quoting the OP’s post.

Seriously let people do what’s best for them

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Do it at least informally. I don’t know why people are worried about your professionalism, the candidate’s the one lacking professionalism

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OP, you're getting salty for nothing, consulting firms are usually at will employers. They can lay us off without notice. It's best to look out for yourself cause no one else will.

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Leave them alone loser

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Rescinding on an offer you accepted doesn’t make you a bad apple. What would make you think that?

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This happens all the time (that candidates back out) so it’s not a big deal. Most recruiters are too busy with real work vs following what you’re up to & being vindictive.
How would they find out what firm you’ve joined? It’s on you to not overshare.
If you’re really worried, don’t update your LinkedIn for a few months.

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OP, you should’ve clarified this in your original post. Now, you’re the d1ckhead in my opinion.

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Nothing stops them but why would they waste their time. It’s not like the new employer will care that much.

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How did you even find out, P1? Genuinely curious

What makes you think of him/her as a “bad apple” just because he/she has decided to take a better offer? All jobs are “at will” and firms won’t hesitate to fire or lay off people if needs be

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Yeah, really should have clarified that you're the candidate in the post. Hopefully recruiters would never do this

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