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No the description of those men’s actions actually sound like a threat- I’d say it’s a fair bias to prefer the parties who are not undermining you at work, regardless of gender
💯 this!
Take gender out of the equation and ask yourself if the men on your team's actions would be acceptable. I think your feelings are very justified
I don't necessarily think it's a bias. I think they see themselves as not needing a coach, so your support and mentoring is going to the people that want to learn and develop under your guidance.
Coach
You’re not biased. They are.
This
Alternate response: let them see who the real leader is (you). Some people have prior biases to how a leader should behave. If you dont recognize those, you risk losing their engagement/support. If men are bossy, be bossier, etc.
Agree - I have this situation at times (currently two men and two women reports) and feel like I need to assert myself almost artificially at times with the men.
I understand your concern. In the work field you want to be careful about bias though. Especially if you are a leader. Legally, if anyone you are working with is making comments about race, age, or gender.. this really needs to be taken to HR or someone you know who will take care of this properly. It’s unacceptable behavior and quite frankly a liability for the company. As a leader, any person (regardless of age, gender, or race) whom is working efficiently, going above and beyond, working hard, works well with a team, has good habit such as organization and time management, works well with clients and hire ups (if applies) and overall someone you feel is worth fostering… then so be it! Move them to the top, or even in the best possible positions that they worked for and earned, and honestly deserve! Doesn’t matter what they look like or who they are. Those who are not working as hard and make comments should honestly be fired. Again, if you have the power to do write ups or firing (or take it to HR). If you are a good leader you will hold your employees accountable, while showing you trust and value them. As a leader, you may already know what great behavior looks like versus bad behavior. If not I suggest looking it up online to further skill yourself.
Quite simple: good behavior gets rewards, bad behavior does not!
Best of luck.
PS. Trust your intuition, we need more people to advocate in the career world for more equality and it’s very much appreciated!
Mentor
Don't view their behavior as a threat as a good leader should be ok with developing someone so well they could one day be their boss (in theory). However, their behavior undermines you and your authority which needs to stop.
Men get enough support, fostering, resources, opportunities to fail upward, et al, as it is, they’ll be just fine. If roles were reversed, would they even be having these kinds of thoughts or concerns for you, 9 out of 10 times, hard no.
Lots of people in here telling you what you want to hear. Don’t settle comfortably in that chair. Being a manager is not the same as being a leader. You identified the bias yourself. Working to address will be a characteristic of leadership.
Lol, AI, there's no personal attack. Just the observation that you don't even follow your own advice. But, reflection and accountability are hard.
Also adding my bias. The men on my team do 60% of what the women do and they seem to make it up the ranks with ease. F that. Keep lifting us up.
Interesting. Do they have the same title/experience and just report to you? I have something related right now where I'm on a team of independent consultants, and I report to/was hired by the VP. However, the Team Lead she has assigned often fails to lead and doesn't have the right background. So he's a nice but incompetent (in his own words) and absent figurehead. We're all the same experience level and people are constantly asking me/trying to ascertain the hierarchy. I started out deferring to him, but defacto, I'm often asked to present, lead, weigh in on decisions, etc.
Well, I agree with everyone else you're not biased; you're human, and these men are ridiculous. But they don't respect you. Certain people are very good at representing the work of others as their own. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong wjth your leadership, but perhaps you need to flex more. It sounds like you have a good network that brings this to your attention regularly. What's been your response when you're hearing about this?
Aren’t you being passive-aggressive? :)
If OP has been raised as a typical woman she might tend to question her own good judgment for no reason and look for flaws when there are none. From what I see in her post men on her team don't annoy her by being men, they annoy her for being disrespectful and questioning her authority. And yet she is worrying about having gender bias.
Nope, just asking questions to better understand because your position wasn’t particularly clear and I didn’t see any helpful guidance or suggestions as to how to navigate. Glad you agree there’s no reason for her to question her own judgement in this scenario.
You seem to be self-aware. In those moments when you feel compelled to either feel, think, or judge a situation write it down. Then go back and objectively question it.
Another take is that a lot women spend time second-guessing themselves when indeed if something feels off it may not be you but you're conditioned to think you must be both the problem and solution to everything.
Trust yourself.
Would a man worry about anything like it? Reflecting on unfair bias never helped anyone to improve. Most probably though you simply don’t like these particular men, and fairly though. They disrespect your position.
Do you want another female employee? Lol 🙋🏼♀️
Just chiming in to say how much I appreciate that people on this thread are using bias and biased correctly. It’s a pet peeve of mine, and for some reason everyone says “bias” when they should use “biased”!
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