Is anyone else in medicine tired of the BS rhetoric of "networking" as an absolute requirement to get a decent job? especially if you are transitioning to non clinical careers like pharma or consulting? Believe it or not there are very capable, superbly trained physicians out there who are not extroverted charismatic clowns who like to kiss up. I refuse to believe that MD's who couldn't even match to a residency end up with better positions in these industries just because of this

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I've heard it said that "To get the job, it's who you know. To succeed in the job, it's what you know." That goes for any profession. For a physician going to another location to be a physician, who you know is less important than it is in fields like finance, insurance and sales. If you are moving out of your "comfort zone" and into another related field of endeavor, your past performance and expertise as a physician becomes less important, and the way of the world is that someone approximately as suited for the new job as you are has a leg up if he knows a company bigwig, went to a prestigious university, is personable and -- yuck -- is fairly attractive. How long they stay in that position depends on their ability, not personality and connections.

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Honestly I don't think this is just our industry, and I think there are other industries that rely even more on networking. I think it's just because there's so much noise with online applications and people actually just want to hire someone they can trust. Ironically I think it's our global interconnectedness that is making people crave hyper local social connections when hiring -- and this is across industries

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I disagree that it’s about networking, clinical practice
Is only one of the factors that it’s looked at for a pharma position, I have seen many physician with lots of clinical practice and multiple board certifications struggle to adjust and not able to perform the job. Other skills such regulations, global pharmacovigilance, data mining, and drug development are needed in high demand. I have been in pharma for a good amount of years and all my jobs I have applied like any regular person on their website.

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