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Hi Fishes, I have received an offer from Barclays for AVP position. But the role discussed during interview was for Tech Delivery Manager whereas the offer letter mentions it as Tech Delivery Lead. Can you guys please suggest if it is the same role or should I request recruiter to get the role updated? Moreover it would be great if any of you can shed some light on the prospects/challenges of this role based on your experiences. Barclays Barclays global service center
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Hey fishes, please help me out on which company to join.
YOE - 2.5
Stack - Java, Springboot, API development
Offers - TCS (14 lpa), T-systems (14 lpa)
I’m looking for good wlb, good office culture but also steady growth and learning in terms of technical stack. Please provide suggestions.
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While I agree, it does sound like a threat, I would go for it anyway. You never know. And if they withdraw the job offer just because you wanted to discuss the salary, this isn't a place you want to work anyway.
If I’m willing to undervalue myself, why would you trust me to uphold the value of what I’m selling for you?"
This is an annoying thing to hear from a recruiter who should be straightforward, not making passive and confusing statements like this. I would say try to negotiate in good faith, no matter what. Especially if the offer falls significantly below what you think you deserve.
Recruiters work for the company you’re trying to get into….hire at lowest number always. It’s been like that for decades…
Honestly, I don’t think you would be happy unless you tried you never know. Employers can pay who they want what they want and they can even make whole positions for their friends or their friends children. This is America. You can buy what you want, but you get what youpay for. Too often employers are willing to pay superior talent inferior wages. I mean, you’re not being greedy more times than not. I don’t know what they want people to do. You’re not gonna end up rich.
I wouldn't even waste my time on the job whole heartedly get your feet wet and look for something else. We're not in the same day and age where you can comfortable live life on a wage that is sufficient enough to run a household. If you arent getting a parish of 2-5% a year leave and find another job thats paying more. But in that time gain as much qualifications to progress yourself forward ive been doing this for years and I go up by 5-10k every 2 years by gaining another skill.
Asking the right way makes all the difference. Ask what their Remuneration range is for the position. It will open the door and it is not a question that should mean ill fate. Any company worth their salt will expect a good mind to be firm on expectations and professionalism. You are worth it.
This is a complex question to answer when we do not know the salary you are being offered nor your qualifications for the position. However, if you feel those factors do not line up after doing your research, then you should negotiate. Keep in mind that a recruiter gets paid (from what I know) like a realtor gets paid, when you take the job, if you don't take/get the job, they don't get paid. So, it is beneficial for them to encourage you to take the job now! You are always your own best advocate!!! If it doesn't sit right with you, stand up for yourself, professionally of course.
Knowing worth goes for employment as well. I say give it a try and see what happens. If it work great if it does the best is yet to come! Good luck
Absolutely not a threat. It's reality. Sounds like the recruiter knows that the company is firm but doesn't want to tell you that outright. IE: has already been told their offer is firm because they have another choice waiting in the wings. They may feel their pay is fair and you might be the one expecting more. CSMs can range from (US) $65k to $115k + bonus or, inclusive of bonus based on experience. Pay is based on company size, experience and expectations for the role. There is one thing that some forget these days: Many assume they should always negotiate. That is not the case. Sometimes you have to read the room, recognize the market, the size of company you are looking at and their expectations of you. Somebody told a lot of college kids in the last 10 years that they shouldn't take the first salary offer and should instead, push for more. They should make sure they are "paid what they're worth." Not a good look. Know that "what you are worth" is subjective and can price you out of a job. Doesn't mean you have to accept the job but be realistic and look at all the other factors around you. We're laying off CSMs, not hiring them...as are many companies.
Bring the data. What is the market paying? If the offer is below the market, then you have stronger justification and are in a better position to negotiate. Use the data to come up with a counteroffer that aligns with the market and doesn’t make you want to keep looking after you land.
I wonder what the motivation was for your recruiter to say that. It’s a bit random. They expect you to negotiate and a simple “I’m excited about the opportunity. And Since wages are tied to responsibility and I see there’s quite a bit for this job. I’m curious, what kind of flexibility do you have in the offer?” Should be fine.
What responsibility are you speaking of?
In my experience I only pursue opportunities with a salary range I’m willing to eventually accept if I get to the offer stage. If for example my range is $10/hr and the range is $2-$3/hr then it’s a waste of everyone’s time. No point in applying and interviewing if you won’t get paid what you’re expecting.
Exactly! I want the range going in but I have walked away after an offer because it was too low.
Sounds like a threat... But if any company refuses to listen, no reason to work for tyrants and/or bullies....
Know your value. Do your research on salaries for same similar positions. Make a value proposition that explains why you are worth what you are asking and willing and wanting to 🫴 dmiddle ground. Clearly state how your experience, what you are bringing to the table, your connections, certs, your top two skills and how they directly align to the SOW and the business strategy.
Front load with a sign on withon first 30 days and an one year retention bonus to close any margins. They may be capped because to they already have FTE's filling the higher payments bands. Dont lose your cool. Posture (confident and reasonable) communicating in a tone that reads "you want to get to a number that meets both your and their requirements." Good Luck.
That’s a really weird reaction. I say follow your gut and negotiate if it feels right to you
Do your research and find out comparable salaries in your area for your years of experience so you can justify a higher starting salary. If you can't get a higher salary, negotiate more vacation time. I'd rather have an extra week or two of vacation than make $5k more a year.
Hmmm okayyy buh how did you get in touch with him or her actually
You just need to know the industry and the position you are applying for , study the salaries and the duties , if the offer with the market and job discipline, then no need to negotiate and maybe loose the offer. Be happy you got offer and you can start looking for another job while you working.
Some times it is hard to ever land an interview.
So do not lose a chance because of your Ego.
Aw, some days are like that, you know?
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I don’t understand how you get to an offer letter without having previously discussed salary and known that it would be something you’d be willing to consider. I handle this in ALL of my initial phone calls with recruiter if not before.