Junior associate here, should I ask for more money if my firm is about 10-15 percent less hours but about 30 percent less pay? The gap will never be closed to the top pay scale at my firm but when I decided to come to this firm the pay difference was about 15 percent and not 30. Would appreciate any thoughts on how to go about bringing this up without pissing people off because I love the firm and do not want to leave

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What you could try is advocate for a better bonus system on the theory that if you're actually meeting hours or exceeding them (and assuming the financials work for you to make this case) then you should share in the wealth or get something closer to a proportional income because of the bonus, which not everyone will get.

Keep in mind that top firms with a requirement of 1900 or 2000 probably have an average far above that. By comparison, my midsize firm has a requirement of 1850 (2000 for bonus) but average is 1650. That shows difference in expectations, your firm may have similar expectations and assume they compensate you according to those expectations.

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That’s not how it works. You can try, but the partners will just tell you that’s not how your firm’s economics work.

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I’ll elaborate. The biggest firms bill at significantly higher rates. They can pay their associates these high salaries and have partner profits soar. Partners are smaller firms bill at lower hourly rates than first years at the most profitable firms. They are already giving you a bigger piece of their pie.

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You should be making roughly 1/3 rate x hours. If you're way low of that then negotiate.

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