My firm does not have enough staff to maintain the caseload, and my boss keeps taking on more cases. I’m overworked, I come in early, I stay late and I’m salaried. I feel bad going to a different firm because my boss has molded me into a paralegal I don’t have a certificate or education for paralegal work. But I cannot operate this way anymore! And yes, I’ve talked to my boss about this. What fields have previous paralegals joined post law successfully? Or should I find another firm?

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at
Highlighted IconHIGHLIGHTED

Find another firm. You've gained experience now to make you successful somewhere else.

likehelpful

Also, Paralegals are not salaried personnel. That would require two direct reports which is not the case. I am tired of these lawyers being cheap with their staff

like

I'd start looking for another paralegal job at another firm. Depending on what skills you've learned, there are many other firms hiring staff. Don't sell yourself short - you don't have to be a certified paralegal to work as one. I have 25 years of experience and I'm considered a paralegal now, although not certified as one.

like
Recent IconRecent

Paralegal + exempt= Absolutely not!

like

Unless you have direct reports, you still are an "hourly" employee. And it is based on federal laws not state laws for the most part.

like

When you say salaried, do you also mean that they don’t pay you any overtime? Paralegals are typically non-exempt roles, so even if you are salaried, you should be receiving overtime pay for overtime work. And if you don’t have a certificate or education, it is very likely you don’t qualify as exempt.

like

I'm in the same boat, except I'm also the Office Coordinator & salaried...I stopped staying late after realizing it was being taken advantage of...I will be leaving hopefully by August & its unfortunate cuz I do like my job, but the caseload, with no support & the salary sucking...yeah no, I can't justify staying💯 I have a ABA approved Bachelors with going on 4 yrs experience l can & will find somewhere better & so will you!😁💯👍🏾

likeuplifting

Yes we will! Thank you😊

The attorney/firm is taking advantage of you and knows you will continue to burn out and take care of case load on salary. I’ve never heard of an exempt paralegal.

like

Definitely exploiting you. Don’t work overtime without overtime pay.

like

Worked at a firm where they would promote receptionists with no legal experience to paralegal positions. Don’t sell your self short, you are probably more qualified than a lot of people, look elsewhere. Good luck!!

like

In Texas, and I think in most states if not the ABA, you ARE a paralegal. You have done substantive legal work under the supervision of an attorney for a year or more! You ARE one of us, certificate or not! YOU know your stuff.

Idea. If you don't want to leave and want to try a different approach, perhaps you could convince your attorney to hire a part-time paralegal to work with you and do whatever you think would help you to get out of the office on time vs. constant over-time. The part-time paralegal could be contract (1099 basis). By the way there was a legal case brought by and won by a group of paralegals who argued they should be hourly not salaried.

like

I am in-house, 30+ years of experience, certified with an advanced specialty certification. I am classified as exempt though I work and receive comments and approvals for in depth documents from General Counsel. He likes to lay eyes on everything that goes out and that is fine. I never want to be accused of the unauthorized practice of law. But I'm classified as exempt. Our company took on legal work for a lot more divisions, and since last summer I have worked easily 12 consistent hours a day plus some weekends. I have asked for more help but the General Counsel has been told no its not in the budget. I'm exhausted and am seeing health problems because of it. My raise was 1.9% and they could have kept it for what difference it made. I'm looking for another in-house role but it seems this is a bad time to be looking. I also commute a good distance to the office which adds to my long days. My adult son and daughter tell me I'm crazy to stay without being paid overtime. I do keep track of my hours for my own benefit and calculate that I have provided about $31,000 worth of free work for this company, or basically worked another part-time job for them for free. They just laugh when I tell them that. The HR President claims I meet the 4 requirements for exempt but I do not! The problem here is volume of workload and no end in sight, until I find a position where I am valued. I hope this makes someone else feel like they are not alone in a miserable employment situation.

like

What does your boss say when you bring it up to him? Is he amenable to decreasing your workload? It sounds like he isn't, in which case I would definitely start looking for another firm. If you enjoy what you do but dislike the amount of work you're expected to do, consider staying in the industry while finding a place that supports you as a person.

like

In essence, the conversation is that everybody has too much work in the firm. Ive expressed that there is too much work and I cannot handle this nor do I think anyone could and I’ve suggested that we cut down on how many potential clients we book for consultations but to no avail. I appreciate this feedback and I’m happy I decided to post this because everyone in the comments is really opening my eyes!

like

You absolutely need to leave that job. It will not get better and it will burn you out. Take what you’ve learned and move on. That’s what everybody does.

like

I did, I was lucky enough to find an in-house position. Total game changer.

like

I have only had one exempt paralegal role. It was in-house, and I enjoyed not having to punch a clock on quieter weeks, but I did dislike not having overtime during crazy busy weeks. A paralegal who has been at my firm for decades told me she is exempt and that it works well for her overall.

like

BCLP 1 - Salary is only part of exemption. Misclassification of a non-exempt employee doesn’t work well for that person under any circumstances. If you are exempt and a paralegal, they are likely doing something wrong and may be stealing your wages

like

I stayed at a personal injury firm for 12 years because of the attorney I worked for, even though the environment was incredibly toxic, overworked, understaffed, run by a paralegal manager that knew nothing about litigation processes and court procedures. I finally left and went to a new firm. Still overworked (but not as bad) because I think thay the nature of our area of law. Is it the caseload or is there other things creating stress

like

Been there before. Find another firm, non-exempt position. Depending on your state, you may qualify as a paralegal based on years alone. Boss is taking advantage of you.

like

Finding another law firm might be the way to go because it is clear that your boss doesn't care about you.

like

I have been there. But, hourly. The attorney under paid me tremendously. I loved the attorney but had to move on. As far as finding another firm, only you will know what is best for you. An attorney once told me, "I guard my peace at all cost." So, if you do not have peace about leaving, stay until you have found exactly what you desire and do not except anything less. Don't comprise or settle. Stay where you are until you know that you know. Because when you know and there is no second guessing, you will be ready to make the switch.

like

Find another firm; I don’t think you’d necessarily even need a paralegal cert.

like

message me at lkm@buckley-law.com

like

In case anyone reads this - I left and I’m actually able to live life now. In house paralegal and I’ve never been happier in my adult life. Grass is greener

like

I would try sales, and try to pivot from that.
However, I have also worked at GRSM, and I worked for good companies with good people. I would also try an in house paralegal position, and see if you can grow from that. Ultimately, many jobs may overwork their people, but if you have a good manager that listens to you and makes adjustments, you can thrive.

Related Posts

I have been trying to exit consulting for a while now. I am gonna get the EAD card for Gc somewhere around mid next year. Should I wait till I get it or should I make a move? Reason I ask is I’m getting very few callbacks and I think it’s coz I’m on a H1.

like

Hello professionals!
I am a B.tech CSE student and have two offers :-
1) EXL services:- Role( Business analyst Band A2)
6.5 ctc + 1lakh first anniversary bonus.

2) Fractal analytics:- Role(Imagineer :- on trainingit would depend on what technology you'll work in data science) 7.5 ctc + 3 lakh joining bonus.

Please don't ignore this and help me to choose the right decision.
So please if you are from EXL and Fractal or have any idea about these companies please help to make right decision as Fresher

like
like

Anyone from Astrazeneca are there any referral programs ongoing, I need referral for a Data Engineer position. Having 5 years of experience.

like

EY GDS Pune hiring ?

like

Looking to transition from an experineced(more than 7 years) automation and manual tester to a python full stack developer , looking for guidance about the path .... job market(including freelancing option) ,job position to target , potential struggles , courses or any other potential resources !
P.S. trying this change to as having a inclination towards development, and also see myself going for technical manager role in future !
Feel free to bust any myths , but plz avoid demotivate!

like

Looking for information on companies hiring EMT-Bs in and around Clearwater, Largo, Tampa, FL.
Looking to hear which places I will be able to get a higher salary. Working as an ER tech or privatized ambulance.

like

manager role at McDonald’s global or Senior Business Associate at LinkedIn?

I just started week 1 at McDonald’s then LinkedIn gave me an offer. May burn bridges.

McDonald’s data enablement manager on Global team
New team so it’s an exciting opportunity talking to other markets
Nice teammates
Total comp: 155k (7k RSU)

LinkedIn - senior bus. Associate for business productivity
Challenging and seems fun
Out of this world benefits
Foot in the door for tech
Total comp: 177k (34k RSU)

like

Hello,

Received an verbal offer from
Amazon for Data Engineer position (Luxembourg).
I have no idea regarding pay bands for Amazon Luxembourg.
Wanted to check if there is any room for improvement with respect to proposed offer.

Base : 85k €
Bonus : 1st year: 14k and 2nd year : 12k €
RSU : 24 Units

YoE : 4
TC : 42 LPA

Amazon

like

Anyone willing to refer? Looking to exit industry? Location constraint: Bangalore, India.

like

Lady 🐠- any recommendations for a good OBGYN?

I know I am opening up the doors for a troll feast, but finding a good doctor can be difficult- WOM is the best option and I can trust people here more than the average yelper.

like

does anyone have experience exiting after 1 year? any vengeful MD stories? my MD knows a lot of people and i’m scared if i interview or exit to one of these places that he has a connection at he might try to mess with my career...

like

Hi everyone - I made it to the final round of interviews with Amazon for a Program Manager position. They initially asked if I would relocate and at the time I said yes - however, due to my husband’s new job I’m no longer able to relocate.
Has anyone ever negotiated to work remote for Amazon?

like

Best consulting firms for PE work (CDD,Value Creation)? Looking for the best firm for exit ops to PE ops eventually. Thanks!

like

More Posts

Wednesday 3/14 FYI Island Visit thread

Comment in the below format if you want visitors or are looking to visit an island.

like

Where are my fellow less-advanced islanders? I feel like I play a lot (~1hr/day) but wow reading what everyone else is doing I realize I’m slow in comparison!

like

Should I time travel? I’m so bored of daily play I’m eager to catch new fish & bugs yet at the same time, I don’t want to miss out on anything lol.

like

Time to go SWIMMING !!!

likefunny

If asked this in an interview, how would you answer?
What is the one unique quality that makes you an effective salesperson?

like

Anyone ever get acid reflux every time you lay down to nap or go to sleep? Middle of 6 months and feel like acid reflux just hit me. :( any suggestions besides taking tums?

like

Last night I went over to my friends house (she has 2 kids, 2 and 4 yo). She and her husband were asking me about my pregnancy and planning. And were asking what I’ve prepped to date. I’m only 13w2 days so I think it’s way to early for buying stuff, but I did mention we hired a baby nurse for when the baby comes. My friend completely berated me, short of calling me a bad mom already, saying “what is she going to do all day? Don’t you want to bond with your child?”. I’m so upset by this.

like

anyone else feels stuck at current job, but not able to apply due to upcoming paid maternity leave benefits that you don't want to miss out on? currently still in first trimester !

likehelpful

Ladies, did you put on make up before your delivery for photo purposes?

like

Amazon ba ctc for 2yoe

like

Hello Folk, Got below offers so far. Role: Senior Consultant (BA Role) Yoe:6.5
Deloitte:20.5
Virtusa:24
Brilio:26

Could you please provide some insight to make a decision ?it would be much helpful.

Virtusa Brillio Deloitte USI

like

I had a very positive experience interviewing with Amazon for an L5 Technical Writer role. I originally applied for a lower level writing role, ending up acing my Loop, and was passed on to speak to the hiring manager for the L5 role.

Given the positive tone of our conversation, I expect to receive an offer this week.

Can somebody tell me what kind of base salary/bonus/RSU ranges I should aim for? I'm transitioning to tech and have 10+ years of professional writing experience. PNW based.

like

If I applied to BCG in a different country and got rejected from final round - should I still wait to apply within Canada for a cooling off period?

like

What are Canadian FAANG TCs looking like?

like

For those whom 𝑺𝒖𝒄𝒄𝒆𝒔𝒔𝑭𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒐𝒓𝒔 is everything, wishing them a very Happy Valentine’s Day 😀❤️🎁

#SAP #SuccessFactors

Post Photo

Fear I may have lowballed myself in initial discussions with HR and now expecting a formal offer. Honestly think 10k more would be more fair. What’s the best way for me to negotiate this after the formal offer is presented?

like

Any newly licensed attorneys looking to learn/practice family law?

like

Hello. Just curious on what's the salary ceiling for a manager position at Deloitte? Received a verbal offer and waiting on written offer. I was told by a recruiter that M at Deloitte doesn't make more than 180. Just curious if that's actually true and if anyone had experience negotiating higher salary than 180.

like

So the fiduciary rule got tossed yesterday

likehelpfulfunny

Hello,

Can someone please refer for SAP BASIS/Hana in IBM?
YOE : 6.4
Notice period : 15 days
Preferred location : Bangalore

Thanks

like

Additional Posts in Paralegals

Are there any fully remote lawfirms, ie you don't have to live in the state they have offices? I recently left a large lawfirm to go in-house which came with a huge paycut that is not going to be sustainable long term, but needed a remote position to be able to move. I'd like to keep my current job part-time but get back in a lawfirm too.

like

Have a great weekend Paralegals ✌️

Post Photo
like

What is the average paralegal salary in NC for a commercial real estate law office? I’ve been with a great firm for the last 9 years but am starting to wonder if I’m being compensated fairly. The company is about 30 employees (mostly attorneys) but I work primary for 4 of the attorneys.

like

Looking for a REMOTE Paralegal Position in the Colorado Springs, CO area - preferably in Family or Criminal Law - If anyone knows of anything. If someone knows of a recruiter in that area as well, please let me know!
TIA!

like

We recently launched ParalegalListings.com, a job board designed exclusively for paralegals. Please check it out if you’re looking for a new job or just want to keep an eye on the market. Thanks!

like

When you walk in Friday morning to a dumpster fire of a file (that you’ve never worked on before) sitting on your desk, with no note or email to go with it. It’s as if I’m supposed to magically divine what to do with it. 🤦🏼‍♀️

like

Hi everyone. Is it typical for the attorney to take credit for the work a paralegal does? An example: I gave some ideas about deposition questions and some observations I made (I was asked about giving suggestions) regarding a witness and the attorney mentioned that he’s the one that had these great questions/observations. Zero credit or thank you for the work I did.

like

I am prior military and went to law school. I had a family to take care of while I was a student, hence I went as fast as possible to get to a paycheck, graduating in 2 years, and bypassing the standard summer clerkships. How could I get some experience strictly remote? I am w-2 working as an accountant in healthcare, have passed the bar and am working on my CPA license (studying starts at 3 am, then work FT). I would like to eventually hang a shingle as a tax lawyer, but need experience. TIA!

Hi all, anyone familiar with Skadden in DC? Looking for any insight!

Is paralegal burn-out a thing? And if it is, how do you overcome it?

like

(1/2) I started a new job less than a month ago at a large firm with a significant pay increase. I work remotely- which is a special arrangement. They paid for my travel to their headquarters for in-person training. After interacting with my manager and some of the attorneys, I feel like I made a mistake. Manager is demeaning and rude. A bunch of the attorneys dropped not so subtle hints that people who work from home are causing all kinds of problems. I don’t know what to do.

like
like

Hello! Are there any traveling paralegals in the group? I’m interested in becoming one.

like

For those of you who made the switch to in house/corporate law, what was your experience like? Did you have to take a lower position to gain the experience or were you able to argue that your soft skills were transferable to in house? I’ve been in litigation for 15 years and I’m looking to make the switch. Ultimately, I’d like to get into Legal Ops, but feel getting some in house experience first would be beneficial.

like

Are any other paralegals struggling with billable hour requirements? I have 5 years of experience in corporate transactions, M&A, and real estate work, and have never had billable hour requirements. I'm in a new job now where I do and I'm nowhere near meeting them. I'm getting a lot more admin work than billable work, and it's stressing me out.

like

What were some effective tips or resources that helped you to learn the systems of your first firm? We feel like our firm admin/paralegal is not getting acclimated and not assisting the firm as we hoped. So we want to make sure we’re effectively training her and providing the best resources/tools for success.

like

The thought of Attorneys talking down on Paralegals is sickening.

like

Do small law firms have paralegal managers?

like

I’m interviewing with another firm next week. Has anyone made a switch like that before? How did you do it? I work in a small criminal firm now. Interview is with a same size/practice area firm.

Hey, does anyone work for Jacobowitz Newman Tversky? Would love to know more about the office and culture .

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal