The last two weeks I’ve had thoughts of self harm. It’s hard to adjust to the regular world. I didn’t think that the adjustment would be this challenging. My wife doesn’t know these thought’s because I don’t need her worrying about my mental health. We have an 8 month old son I want to be able to give them the best life but the military is all I know and I have no idea what career to choose. I don’t want to waste my time going to college because im the breadwinner for my little family. ~ Long

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As far as the career direction bit - I found it helpful to treat my transition like an experiment. I created a list of jobs that kinda sounded interesting and used services like Veterati to connect with vets who were in those areas - picked their brains about career progression, perks of the job, pain points, the type of people who succeed, and pay expectations. If you tell them you’re interested in their journey and just want to learn, there’s no awkward pressure around them placing you.

Of course, if they like you, they’ll provide further resources and connections to further your goal.

If you don’t like what they have to say - good, you can cross that off your list and move on to the next area you want to explore without needing the firsthand trial-and-error.

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Thank you for letting us know! Being a new father is overwhelming. It's a huge new role, and many of us have been where you are, not sure how we will provide.

Please know we are here if you want to talk. Please start talking to someone regularly. Your family and you will be so glad you did.

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I called the number you guys provided and it felt good to finally let it out. When she asked me what kept me going. I broke and cried and said my son as I type this it’s difficult to not get emotional. I don’t want the image of myself to be damaged. I do appreciate everything thank you

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Thank you for reaching out to folks here and calling the hotline man. It takes a lot of courage to do. Change is fucking hard, but you’ve taken that first step to address issues that are hurting you and not keep them bottled up. Keep at it.

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Despite two combat deployments as a Marine infantryman, it took getting arrested for assault after I left active duty for me to finally see a therapist; ended up being the best thing for me despite how opposed to it I was. Still allowed to own firearms (I saw that as a concern of yours in another comment).

Trust me when I say it is VERY normal to think about self harm. Talk to someone you trust about it. Doesn't have to be your spouse or a therapist... Just open up to someone you trust. Keeping it wrapped up inside is like putting it in a pressure cooker; talking about it lets the pressure off.

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There’s nothing wrong with leaving the military to be closer to your family. I left after 7 years because I saw what life my superiors were leading - working long hours in crappy duty stations and needing to put up with peacetime deployments for blah pay. No thanks. I don’t want to be counting down my life until retirement.

The fact that you’re 23 means that so much of your legacy is yet to be written. Now that you’ve gone through the military - many elite institutions and blue chip companies will take a chance on you if you’re willing to connect with vets who have done the same, do the work, & pass the tests . Schools like Harvard, UChicago, and Brown constantly take in vets and will take the chance on someone with less-than-stellar high school grades. Regional powerhouses like USC, NYU, UT-Austin, and Georgetown are all within reach.

It’s ok if the first job post-military isn’t a good fit. You still plenty of time to pivot. If pilots can do it at 32-34.

By the way - a lot of us are still figuring out what we want to do after service. Sometimes you find something you like and life changes and you need something new again. You’re not alone at all.

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Rant away brother. You do whatever you need to do to get it off your chest. Never suffer in silence

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I saw my VA paid therapist tonight, largely as a way to save my marriage. I gave my pistols to a friend last week because of constant ideation due to those same marital issues.

Seek help.
Apply for VA claims for mental health.
Don't hesitate.
That will also help alleviate the financial burden you are facing.

The college route can be done while you work and gives you BaH with the GI bill.
The salary difference once you finish is generally worth the pain. I went while I worked and double dipped.

I know you feel alone. I do too. There's more out there to be done and people still need us, just in different ways.

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If therapy for someone other than you is necessary, there is also the possibility of getting funding through the Wounded Warrior Project. that way you are not paying out of pocket for sessions. Spouse can actually get covered that way.

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I’ve been out for almost 8 years now but went through a similar situation when I got out. Ended up seeing a VA shrink for about 2 years and it was a positive experience.


Wishing you the best OP, this too shall pass

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I struggled w depression after service. I owned firearms for a few years and quickly got rid of them because I was a bigger threat to myself and others than some stranger invading my space.
Seek mental health asap man, the damage you can cause to you and others is hard to fix if you let it go for too long.
Take care of YOU first so you can then care of others.
Get some clarity and stability, then reevaluate school at a later date. I did undergrad and grad school working full time and raising a family of 5.
But FIRST, get your mind and body right and keep pressing forward. You got this!

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Please, please, please, get seen at the VA, or contact the Veteran's Hotline. The hotline is amazing, they care, and they know who to contact to get you the right help. They also know resources to help with things like college and housing. I used them recently and they were absolutely amazing! I even sent them a text to begin the conversation. Don't let the stress build up into a bigger problem.

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If I may make a recommendation based on my experience. Find a local therapist and see them in person. I used PsychologyToday.com. You can search by location and filter by a number of variables. I found my therapist there about 5 years ago and it's been great having someone to talk to.

I started seeing my therapist after my divorce. I grew as a person and she was someone who continued to support me through my last deployment, my mother's unexpected death, my own suicidal thoughts, and everything in between.

I admire your strength in fighting off the dark thoughts and by seeking help wherever you can. This community, the veteran community as a whole are always here for you.

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OP if you’re trying to transition let this group help also. Everything from interviews to resumes if you need help just ask we’re here.

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Service2School is also amazing non-profit which will match you with veteran ambassadors at top undergrad, MBA, medical, and law school programs - they’ll help you with iterations and formats preferred by their schools for free

When I got out I thought therapy was bullshit. I pushed it all down and just went to work anywhere that would pay me for labor. Two things that I can say almost for certain now, almost 20 years after getting out: I’ve never met anyone that went to therapy and took it seriously that came out worse on the other side, and I wish to hell I would have put more effort into furthering my education sooner than later. I struggled to provide doing whatever job would pay the most at entry level; underground miner, factory worker, construction. 12+ years and I barely broke $50k. I went to school and got a 2 year degree and in 7 years I am now over $100k without destroying my body to get it. My youngest still lives with me and he’s well provided for, and I’m not staying up at night trying to find the next hustle or side job just to keep the lights and the heat on. You’ve got this brother. Adjustment is hard and takes time, but with the help of the right therapist you’ll make it through.

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To build on ITS1 … you don’t have to go to a four year college. GI Bill will pay for vocational training too. And plenty of programs that teach skills to vets for low or no cost too.

In addition to family obligations it sounds like you may be overwhelmed with how to figure out what’s next, and just default to putting your head down in your current work.

Try to use therapy, folks on here, or on LinkedIn or vets Reddit to explore different career options. You’ll find that most of us had no idea what we wanted to do next and slowly figured it out, usually by talking with others.

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I’m so sorry for your loss. We are here to support you, you’ve given too much not to be healthy and happy. It will take time. Do you have a therapist? What about your health care?

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I’m covered under Tricare myself and I was able to get a referral for my therapist. You may want to check and see if that’s doable for you as well because my therapist was very helpful for me. Understand we are not the same but recovery is doable. I wish the best for you.

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This is a book written about PTSD by an early VA in the days before PTSD existed as a diagnosis. He left because they wouldn't take it seriously and then found 10x the civilian existence of PTSD and started mapping out the biology (as opposed to just psychology) of trauma. It isn't just combat. It's abusive parents from when the world was different, and it's childhood sexual abuse, and it's feeling like the world canny compare to what it used to be, and it's watching yourself become the abuser without knowing why or being able to control it.

I recommend it if you want to read about what you might be going through.

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Keep in mind PTSD is just a current name for what we’re talking about. It’s had a number of different names all the way back to the Civil War, and probably earlier. Battle fatigue, shell shock, soldiers heart were all previous terms. The civilian terminology’s absolutely correct, and again can be triggered from many things as you stated.

I'm sad to hear that is something you are thinking of... I was in that place while in the military and after leaving. I finally decided to talk to someone bc I was drowning in anxiety and depression. I have been going for 2 years now. I got diagnosed for adhd and recognition for my mental state from my therapist. I never shared this with family or friends. I always felt like an alien. I love my military friends but I could never connect. At 35, I finally was able to speak about abuse from my childhood and take even small steps towards a mentally healthier me. It's a lot of work! It's not just talking to someone, you do alot of the work on your own. I find that having at least one friend you can take the mask off with helps a ton. It's scary. It's vulnerable. It's daunting. I felt like the weight of the world was lifted when I finally committed to myself.
Feel free to reach out to me on any social media. I'd be happy to listen ❤️ insta @rita_pan_fit, fb rita pan

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OP - I am sorry to hear this. Thank you for voicing your issues. I am no expert in this field, but can you talk to some other vets (this is a great start), but also in person? American Legion, VFW, etc. some old fashioned face-to-face discussions do wonders. If that is not feasible, please seek medical help. I am always available to talk as well. Feel free to DM me.

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Please DM me.

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I don’t have the dm ability yet. But you can email me @ dimitrilong2017@gmail.com.

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Totally different rant. I’m only typing this out to at least get it off my chest.
As my previous comment stated my grandfather passed away on new years. I was the one who found my grandfather. I cried for about 2 minutes and then started calling my family. I didn’t try to save him because he was a DNR. Ever since then I’ve been like what’s next. I feel like a monster, I feel desensitized to death and it’s horrific to think is this what I’ve become. Part 1

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The last time I wore my dress blues was when I went to my buddies memorial. I just couldn’t bring myself to putting on the uniform on last time. No matter how proud my grandfather was of me for serving. I feel like a piece of shit for not going but I don’t know what I would’ve done with everybody trying to talk to me.

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We're a cluster of old foggiest and youngins in here. Rant away brother!

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5U37MkA2E

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I don’t usually like videos people send but that’s a great clip and I’m actually going to watch the full panel

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Think about going to Golden Gate University. They pay about $5000 a month with Post 9/11.

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Never heard of it - 3 years of $60k is nothing compared to starting at $205 TC with 5-10% annual increases. Pick a Top 25 program and don’t look back. Check the employment report and see who hires there. If you’re picking a school and not a career path, you’re picking in the wrong order.

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