Today's PSA: Don't negotiate for the sake of negotiating UNLESS you have significant leverage. You will lose.

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In this scenario, isn't there a difference between "losing" and "not winning"? Sure, you won't get more money/benefits every single time, but as long as you don't conduct your negotiations in such a way as to get the offer rescinded, I don't think having to accept the original offer is really losing.

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Yeah I have learned that the hard way. Negotiating without real leverage can backfire fast and leave a bad taste. Now I make sure I actually have something to back it up before I even start that conversation. I think it's hard for people to determine when they have enough leverage though, I still struggle with that sometimes

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I hate when people say “always negotiate.”

Unless you have something to back up your claim that you should be paid more…don’t do it. You look bad that way.

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I tend to favor the idea of negotiating anything that can be negotiated. But I think it only wise to try to negotiate if you're able to make a good case for yourself. If you're just doing it for exercise, you're right, you'll walk away with nothing.

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Agreed. In my particular job I have unfettered access to market data and the hiring manager knew this well. They made a very fair offer and I accepted because there barely any case to made for more. I decidedly did not want one of my first experiences with my new boss to be looking like a greedy schmuck.

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Indeed, that impression can color relationships

One must understand what "significant leverage" means within their company.

Has your role evolved to be darn near irreplaceable?
Do you possess information/skills that make replacing you prohibitively expensive?
Do you have another job offer that is far better, financially?

If you don't answer yes to one or more of these questions, you don't have leverage. The job market isn't great for most job seekers.

Having a handful of customers in your pocket that will leave if you leave the company isn't leverage. It's blackmail. If you have 80% of the revenue-generating customers in your pocket, *that's* leverage.

For many jobs you legitimately cannot negotiate - salary bands are fixed and the only negotiation is things like start date

It’s a free country. If they say no, then fine.

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