Why do people take remote working so seriously? I understand it’s a preference which is great but we’ve been interviewing for a position lately and our agency personally prefers to work in office, we don’t force anyone but multiple candidates have gotten noticeably offended when we tell them that. Like if you don’t want to come into the office then that’s fine. Go find a place that allows you to work how you prefer. It’s your choice 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Because people are sick of going into an office only to be less productive.

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You can hit the cannabis in the office if you’re discreet 😎

Decades of studies prove that open office plans make workers less productive. Want to know one of the main reasons why most of us are more productive working from home? Because we all finally have offices.

(I also save almost $500/month on needless commuting costs)

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Why do people take remote working so seriously? Easy — BECAUSE IT IS SERIOUS.

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For folks who different abilities this has opened many opportunities because of accommodations at home vs in an office. For companies who want to diversify their talent pool and are located in cities with homogenous talent pools this opens opportunity. For folks with kids who want to pick them up from school and spend time with them and honestly end up back online in the evening to do work, this opens up opportunities for them. For folks who want to work with other offices in their network, like ours at RGA it’s been amazing to work across counties and cities. It’s an incredible silver lining of a horrible pandemic.

But change is hard for most, what’s new?

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I worked at an agency that provided five days a year at $15 a day with Bright Horizons. It wasnt perfect but it was definitely helpful.

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OP’s job post:
Salary: 150k negotiable

OP in the interview: we’re looking to pay this position 100k, we’re flexible on what you *want* to get paid, but really we’re going to pay 100k.

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This is literally the most obvious thing to put in a job description… I’m so confused💀 might want to hand off recruitment to someone more experienced?

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remote works allows me:

- to get more done / be more efficient
-no commute / time $ spent commuting
- see my family more
- better life work flexibility
- accept any job I want regardless of location
- stay safe if immune compromised

this is the new way moving forward, if you want good talent you’re going to need to give up on the old way and give employees choice. if you don’t give them choice within your business walls, they are still going to have the choice it just won’t be working for you. imagine how your business will suffer if you eliminate all those candidates, where as if you embrace remote workers, your talent pool to hire from actually gets bigger and better

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I would prepare for at least 2 or 3 hours for a call like that. And frankly I'm kinda lazy. A really industrious person might spend a whole weekend preparing. Not surprised people are getting angry. Especially if it feels like a really good fit otherwise.

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“Want whoever would like to join us to like that too”. I’m afraid that IS wanting them to agree with you. And not just philosophically but also practically. So the reality is that’s now a big ask, and one you need to be much more transparent about much earlier in the piece to avoid the reactions that you’re not appreciating. Despite your impulse reactions being to the contrary, it sounds like you just need to accept that you are, in fact, searching for candidates who do agree with you/your team’s decision and preference. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

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Except you explicitly did not tell them it was a requirement until you’d wasted their time with interview prep. Want real advice? Hire an HR or hiring team, because you should not be running any of it.

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I don’t want to go back into the office. Gas is expensive and the commute is 40minutes. Not to mention everyone only goes in to talk and not get any work done. Barely get any work done at the office.

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If it’s the company’s preference put it in the job posting. I think candidates are annoyed because if employers have a preference and aren’t publishing that, it’s because they know they aren’t going to get applicants and they are hoping the interview process will soften candidates up and change minds.

It’s a lame and borderline unethical practice that wastes everyone’s time. Complete dick move IMO

Basically, your employer is recruiting poorly and anyone going through that process has every right to be annoyed/offended with the attitude that the company can waste their valuable time on the long-shot hope you’ll get them to drink your ridiculous kook aid.

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^ this. Be upfront and then you likely won’t see candidates looking for remote. I’d be a little irritated too if potentially remote was how it was presented then my time for wasted on a not truly remote position, not a great sign for the company to be posting inaccurate info.

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Anything I can do in an office I can do from home. But I never apply to jobs that don’t specify (remote) anymore.

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We can suffer in a boat
We can suffer in a moat
We can suffer here or there
We can suffer anywhere!!!!!!!!!!

I think it comes down to introverts versus extroverts. I go into the office Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday. My wife goes Tuesday and Thursday. When we work from home, our 22 month old and nanny are with us which is challenging. I go to the office for structure, a healthy change of scenery and emotional well being. I do not fault anyone for wanting to work remotely as it is an entirely personality based choice.

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I wish more people understood this. Our entire society has been designed to give extroverts a leg up until now. Nearly half the population is introverted. Actually being “inclusive” also applies to cognitive diversity.

I have a family and with increasing cost of rent and housing prices I can't afford to live close enough to a city office for daily commutes. So unless you want to pay me A LOT more, it's a deal breaker.

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I think many have the expectation that remote work is now just “work.”

I wouldn’t personally apply for any company that was not open to 100% remote (I work and travel) and would be miffed if I got into an interview and found out that the gig wasn’t remote. I feel like it’s a waste of my time.

Now if they already knew before interviewing, that is an entirely different story.

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I am utterly puzzled as to how I have read dozens and dozens of posts on this thread without one mention of the word Covid. I have no interest whatsoever in ever going into an office again anytime before the pandemic ends. For the both of you who believe our president, that would not be now. research shows that the more times you catch Covid, you become more, not less, likely to get damaging long Covid. My wife is immunocompromised and I am mortal. I have no interest in killing her, even for an agency salary. I am frankly shocked more people are thinking in these terms. It just shows how powerful the media‘s propaganda about this pandemic has been. Stay masked, stay safe, and stay away from the crowds that corporations are pointlessly insisting you join. Corporations’ insistence on this is nothing but dick swinging.

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I particularly think it’s insane for offices to ask people to go in person between Thanksgiving and New Years. Everyone is traveling and gathering with others, many of them older people. Not to mention it could start another wave and then they’ll have nobody in anyway.

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Probably best to state those expectations ahead of the interview, no? But your broader question is certainly a big one. At some point, WFH is going to be phased out. It's just a matter of time, and those who have "decided" that they will only work from home are going to have some stark choices to make.

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No, the digital hangout culture is text based. Slack, Discord, etc, not video or audio based.

We have lots of non-work related channels -- about music, gardening, local (for each of the international global hubs), cooking, sports, etc. Something for everyone.

If you took two agencies, one that was 100% remote versus the other that was 100% in the office, who would win in a creative shootout (assuming both had equally talented people)?

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Person from Narrative Media Group, so far we have two pedants (now three) splitting hairs on the hypothetical scenario. You know exactly what I’m trying to compare.

I insist you work in Quark and use a typewriter. Are you offended? Basically like insisting employees are in a physical office. ✌️

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We don’t “insist” — but that’s what we PREFER. Obviously it’s up to you. But you know, be a team player, wink wink.

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Sounds like this can all be avoided by explicitly outlining expectations in the JD…

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But if they do that, then they lose out on extremely qualified candidates. They know that, which is why they’re deliberately being dishonest.

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I think it’s great you’re up front about it. Honestly is always appreciated.

If people don’t want to do that, they’re entitled to be surprised, but your agency is free to have its own preferences.

Do I think pushing people to come in is a smart strategy? No. But candidates shouldnt cop an attitude.

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I can understand the desire for a team with similar habits, but also think the non-departmental or role-related constraints pertaining to location exclude talent that may bring a holistically beneficial POV to your work.

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