Can people living in markets like NYC or San Francisco help those of us considering lateraling to those areas help assuage concerns about (or confirm) the crime and homelessness issues that there has been increasing reports of?

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The homelessness reports are accurate in SF. It is absolutely out of control. If you park your car on the street it will get broken into.

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Office parking garages are not safe either. I make sure to not leave anything in my car, not even a cheap jacket.

Confirming.

I grew up and went to undergrad in NYC. Practiced in SF for the last decade, Berkeley for law school.

If you’re uncomfortable with frequent exposure to a rambunctious itinerant population struggling with addiction and mental health issues, I wouldn’t suggest living in either of these places.

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Uh, homelessness is a problem in SF, and yes, cars are routinely broken into if you leave something visible.

But it’s absolutely not a reason to not take a job. It’s a pretty great city. The HOMELESSNESS IS OUT OF CONTROL THEYRE GONNA KILL YOUR FAMILY is the stuff of NextDoor and Fox News.

I’ve lived here 17 years in 3 neighborhoods. My car was broken into once. I’ve never left anything visible in it since.

Yes, you will see homeless. Yes, there are areas downtown where you don’t want to go there late at night. But this is true of any city. It’s not really much different here in that respect than when I got here. It’s just an echo chamber of people on NextDoor and Facebook making it sound like the world is ending.

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It’s bad in any of the more dense areas, but I live in the more suburban part more west of the more “downtown” like areas and it’s a lot more sheltered from the homelessness and break ins. Not to say there’s none — we get burglary reports, but most homes here have gates/cameras/alarm systems as deterrents. Decent number of kids playing around on the streets, too.

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Do you occasionally like being screamed at in the late evenings, in midtown, and on a subway platform, by a deranged citizen who will likely do absolutely nothing - but who knows??

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I moved to another city from NYC and can confirm I miss this alot. Everything in my new city is so boring.

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To provide a countering view on SF, if you live in a neighborhood (like Marina, Russian Hill, Inner Richmond, Pacific Heights), you won’t be exposed to this. Dare I say, these neighborhoods are downright clean and safe.

The issue is the Tenderloin is right next to downtown, so you will inevitably encounter homelessness on your commute, criss-crossing the city, or next to an office (unlike LA, where it all contained to skid row for example and it’s a huge city).

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All contained to skid row in LA? The entire mile stretch of Broadway is just homeless camps. You can’t find a median in Venice or south Santa Monica that doesn’t have tents. There’s no sidewalk space left in the underpasses in DTLA because it’s all homeless.

SF is out of control, NYC is fine imo

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Haven’t spent much time in Chicago. It seems like I’ve had so many conversations lately with friends and colleagues who have had issues in SF. Couple of them moved to places like Boise, SLC and Denver but still work for their Bay offices.

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Much of New York is actually a gun-free zone, so you don’t need to worry about crime. It’s all fake news.

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Okay, as somebody that loves SF and lives there now, I have to say that the homelessness is actually out of control bad. I don’t even live in a bad area, either.

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Seconding

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You should be more worried about increased cost of living than increased crime in NYC. I’m getting robbed every month by my landlord

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Honestly if you’re that scared of homeless people stay in the midwest or wherever lol

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The bay used to be like that. The difference now is that in those places the crime is confined to a few neighborhoods. In the bay, criminals realized during covid that the police are so underresourced and people are so timid that they can do crime anywhere. It would be like if there were daily carjackings in grosse point.

SF is an incredibly beautiful city. I feel lucky every day that I get to live here. You quickly learn which areas to avoid, and then you realize how much easy access you have to so many perfectly safe neighborhoods with outstanding food, parks, and nightlife—you’ll just wish you had more time to explore them all.

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If you don’t mind human feces and public masturbation then NYC is for you!

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True. I've seen both in NYC.

SF sadly is confirmation of the broken windows theory. You’ll need a garage, street parking is asking for trouble. Retail theft also soared under the prior administration due to non-prosecution and the new regime doesn’t have a handle on it yet. Lax enforcement of drug laws has lead to open drug use, open air drug markets, and all that it entails.

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The old DA, Boudin, who was just recalled. He came from the SF Public Defenders office. I don’t want to say the PD office is wantonly corrupt, but I don’t know what else to call repeatedly claiming ineffective assistance of counsel to try to get your clients off, or lobbying countless meritless
bar complaints at prosecutors as a course of conduct (and this isn’t Kansas, it’s SF, most of the prosecutors are fairly liberal or at least left of center as you can imagine). Boudin was a PD who had never prosecuted a case before, and fired a bunch of prosecutors and replaced them with people from the PD’s office. They stopped prosecuting lower level retail crime or drug offenses (so the cops stopped making arrests for those offenses).

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Lived in NYC for many years now- definitely crime & homelessness everywhere, but manageable if you’re smart and spatially aware.

Also depends on your neighborhood. If you’re just commuting via the subway every day and traveling from the UES or Soho to Times Square then you’re probably fine. And if someone on your train has a complete mental breakdown or looks like they’re undergoing an exorcism, just move to another train car.

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You’re one of the rare few. I’m surprised you lived in midtown and never saw the crazy shit that goes down. Did you Uber everywhere? 😂

It is ~neighborhood dependent but unless you’re in the heart of the UES and never use public transit, I personally can’t imagine feeling safe as if I were in some small town suburb. Lived in Morningside Heights when I first moved and someone was stabbed in front of my apartment, many people got robbed on the street, etc.

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Los Angeles is a dump. Born and raised here, never seen it this bad. Homelessness out of control. Don’t believe the nonsense about homeless being peaceful. Too many are not.

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Let me expand on this:
- there are several groups of homeless people around where I live (brand new building) who openly do meth
- I see heroin needles on the floor walking to the office at least once or twice a week
- I’ve been spat on and yelled at by homeless people
- saw a guy walking to Whole Foods while injecting himself
- human feces frequently found on the sidewalk

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NYC is neighborhood specific. Just don’t live in the ghetto

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Just live in Marin County is if you want to move to SF. It’s paradise here.

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I moved from the SF Bay Area this year. When I worked in SF, I commuted from downtown San Mateo on the Caltrain. I loved it there. There are lots of areas that are great places to live outside of the city that are very accessible via public transit.

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NYC is fine. You should try to stay somewhat alert and pay attention to your surroundings if you’re walking around or taking the subway at night just in case, but that’s been true since before COVID.

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Moved to SF 1.5 year ago — homelessness isn’t an issue if you can afford a nice neighborhood. Crime isn’t an issue either. I would not live in the Mission or lower SOMA, for example.

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My friend - a small woman - had her front teeth knocked out and bag stolen within a month of moving to SF. In the Marina, getting out of an Uber. My other friend had a burglar break into her home in the Presidio and rob it while they were sleeping. Anecdotal, yes, but there’s a reason the DA was recalled and it isn’t because crime isn’t an issue.

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