Can someone help me understand the backdoor Roth IRA rules. I’ve read an article online but have a few questions (cont.)

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In the beginning, there were only Traditional IRAs.

And then Congress created Roth IRAs, and also a process to allow people with Traditional IRAs to convert them into Roth IRAs, paying taxes on the tIRA gains as part of the conversion. So far, so fair.

The loophole exists because Congress never established a minimum Traditional IRA “holding period” before allowing the Roth conversion. So now you have people immediately converting their Traditional IRAs before any gains occur. And voila, Backdoor Roth.

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Thank you for explaining it this way! This has made no sense to me for years!

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So my understanding is that after I reach a certain income limit I can no longer contribute to a Roth IRA but instead can do something called a backdoor Roth IRA to get past the rule. What I don’t understand is that instead of transferring 6000 to my Roth IRA account, I transfer 6000 to my traditional IRA account and THEN convert the 6000 to my Roth IRA?! Is it really that easy? How does this make any sense? It seems like the only difference here is I just click “convert to Roth” and suddenly I’m all good? Why even have this rule when it’s so easy to circumvent? Perhaps I’m missing something here and you all can explain

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If you have money in the traditional ira there are additional complications though, be careful of that

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Additional complications as in you are taxed as if you sold a slice of everything you hold in traditional IRAs rather than just the specific lots you just purchased, correct? So if you had 90 shares appreciated by 100, bought 10 with 0 appreciation, then converted 10 you'd pay tax on 10 gains?

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Yes, it is that easy. Can’t explain about why have it that way, but glad it is.

Could you put it in very stable investment (money market?) and then just pay taxes on the few dollars of gains? Any required time to wait before converting?

Can you have this automatically done with vanguard or does one have to login and do it every time an amount is brought in?

401k after tax to Roth 401k

So if I rolled over my previous employers 401k into a tIRA, and then deposited 6K on Jan 1 into that tIRA, can I immediately rollover the 6K I transferred into the rIRA? Or will this create problems as I already had 13K in my tIRA that I had previously from a rollover? Trying to find best solution here and avoid any tax complications

That would create taxable income assuming you had appreciation in your tIRA (former 401k). Can you roll it into a new employers 401k?

D1 that is what I did. Rolled my old tIRA into my current 401k since it was allowed. Then converted my new tIRA to Roth.

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