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Of course . We cannot ignore biology . Sad but true . Good luck !
Chief
No of course it doesn’t mean it . But the job fit is changing . The energy level , the memory , concentration , stamina, ability to learn , certain cognitive aspects, vision etc etc . For example : Most people are struggling to work at 80+ as taxi drivers or even as accountants for a reason . The exact cut off age doesn’t exist and varies per job and individual . But ignoring biology completely would not be helpful .
My parents both got laid off in 2009 during the recession when they were in their mid 50s and they both experienced ageism as they were job hunting. My mom’s former job offered an outplacement coach to everyone who got laid off and the coach explicitly told her that ageism in hiring was a thing. They ended up finding decent jobs after several months of searching (ironically my mom got rehired by the company who laid her off in a different department).
My dad is still working (by choice, he can afford to retire but doesn’t want to yet) and his current company likes that he has so much experience and knowledge about best practices in his industry/field (it helps that he is also a top performer currently so he’s not just providing feedback without performance to back it up). His current company is using my dad’s feedback to try to improve their operations (they have a lot of less than optimal processes and procedures). The younger people who my dad works with don’t have this same knowledge gained through decades of experience at other companies and haven’t been able to provide this same type of feedback. Perhaps your dad could use a similar type of angle when marketing himself to different companies? Just a thought.
Best of luck to him in his search!
Yea ageism is a thing. Did he build expertise in a specific area over the years? He should Lazer focus on looking in that area
That’s a good point - I think general mgmt is fine as long as it’s in a specific industry (consumer, tech, etc)
As director of recruitment, I can say it definitely exists. We just can’t say it out loud. We barely place anyone 50+ because the companies want someone who will be there a while.
I can give 2 examples that would help:
I work for a specific community. One of the companies I work with holds 2 companies in this community. One of them is 100 people, mostly people from within this community, incredibly successful. The COO moved to another company that this holdings company has because he was from a very different religion/culture and both he and the CEO were frustrated because he just couldn’t be effective in his position if the vendors, clients, and employees would just look right past him in all meetings. They just had never been exposed to someone that far outside of the community and while he is an incredible COO, he just couldn’t do his job. So I found them someone from within the community and the COO switched out to one of the other companies and thankfully it worked out well.
A second example: I am a woman and people on the more far right end of this community don’t make eye contact with women, don’t know how to interact even if they do make eye contact. I really struggle in my position because any time I’m interviewing someone to come do recruiting for my team or candidates from within the community who we would place, they just shut down. The COO will speak with them, I will join, they will suddenly become mute. It is very difficult to run meetings when my team can’t see me as a professional human. Therefore, unfortunately, I cannot be truly effective in my position.
It all sucks. It’s not malicious or intentional. It’s literally just what happens when you are in a religious community and as I said in a previous comment, it wouldn’t behoove any of the 3 involved parties to send an all-male office a female manager for example. Every single one of them would feel uncomfortable, as unfortunate as it is and as much as I wish it were different.
I am more professional and corporate, I am new to working within this community and I am adjusting.
I think it depends on the position. If the role requires a seasoned, well experienced, person and the company is willing to pay for that (typically the older = higher the salary requirements) then no.
Yes it’s absolutely true
I don’t understand how this still exists in today’s world when people often jump jobs ever 2 years.
Rising Star
It 100% exists. My dad was a C level exec and left his job after reporting an ethics concern they didn’t address and he wanted no part of. He was close to retiring, didn’t want the stress of another C level job, but wanted an executive level advisory type role. He had a really hard time finding one. There is a lot of thinking around younger people having fresh new ideas and older workers being set in their ways. It’s not always true but unfortunately it is common thinking. My dad, even when I was a little kid (I’m 45 now) was always beating the drum about diversity and fairness and treating people with respect and inclusivity. He always had a diverse team around him, and he worked in banking on wall st. But at the end, regardless of much to be proud of, it was rough.
Chief
It does exist sadly, head hunters can support him finding a role tho hopefully. Have him look into LHH if he can
Chief
They help position candidates in the mkt. I’m in their courses right now, I noticed they kept referencing ‘candidates pursuing jobs when over 50’ in the courses so I think they tailor their approach. I don’t believe it’s a free service though :/
https://www.lhh.com/us/en/
This happened to me not long ago (now early 50s) and it was pretty painful. Recommend talking to an executive coach on interviewing to ensure he’s making best first impression, emphasizing a learning mindset and being flexible on compensation.
Hopefully he has a strong professional network at this point, too. Referrals are a critical source of new opportunities.
My dad got laid off in his late 50s during 2008. They told him he’d likely never work again in a corporate function due to his age/economy.
Absolutely exists and is a kiss of death. Think the next best option is to either go find a job they’re passionate about in another field, or find a way to self employ/consult.
Yeah he mentioned that was kind of a traumatizing statement
My dad was forced out by his company in his late 50s. Found a decent job but took a big pay cut. Makes way less than I do, and he’s reasonably technical. Pretty sad.
My takeaway here is to be really fucking good in your career as you get older, or prepare to lose income earlier than expected… not a fun takeaway.
Look at China - ageism kicks in at 35. Lots of companies don’t hire >35 engineers since they’re “not as sharp”. Similarly lots of companies don’t hire women who have kids. They just don’t explicitly say that.
Where is this coming from
I’m not sure your dads professional background/area of expertise, but would he consider teaching at a college? My dad spent most of his career in marketing and when he was let go he started teaching marketing courses at a local MBA program. Perhaps there is a college or community college where he could leverage his expertise and shift into teaching?