Do you work somewhere where quality is valued over efficiency? Where can I find this? In-house? Small boutique?

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Boutique, 10-15 attorneys. 350 ish (2018 grad) when we actually do hourly work, but 90% of it is flat fee.

I can’t imagine not doing patent pros hourly. We only do it for smaller clients and I try to avoid that work if I can. Just creates unnecessary headache

I work in a boutique firm with about 65 patent attorneys. Quality is the main focus. Many partners told me to disregard my efficiency for the first year and just focus on quality. At 5 years, I bill $350/hr.

Conversely, I used to be in-house at IBM. Quality got lipservice, but no one really cared about it - they just wanted you do to at least X amount of work every quarter, and X was always increasing. Amendments were heavily preferred. I never wrote a single appeal brief while I was there. We didn't do billable hours, but when I left, I was making just under 140k/yr.

That’s interesting. I’ve heard some weird stuff about IBM. Had a buddy who worked there and said the same thing.

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