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Need some advice for my cousin.
She has done MBA in Finance ,(2018 passout) after BCOM.
Worked in HDFC bank for 2 years (till 2020).
Due to personal reason left job at end of 2020.
Trained in SAP FICO, now trying for certification.
How could she get into IT company(fresher).Capgemini IBM Tata Consultancy
Any agencies out there give good bonuses?
Salary range of Associate Consultant in KPMG?
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Go with McK, as your exit options will be better. Plus the resume branding is priceless. Good luck and congrats!
I’ve taken a job for prestige over culture before and it was the worst mistake of my life. The exit opportunities will be similar. Go where you will be happy.
PS - Before I worked at Accenture I was at one of those tech start ups everyone drools over and we used Bain, not McKinsey.
Yeah as someone who has worked in both industry and consulting (and hired consultants as a buyer), I can tell you that no one outside of our little bubble can delineate or even remember the names of any of our firms. I wish I could go back in time and tell college me that!
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If have a personality, choose Bain. Otherwise McK will be a great fit for you.
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There’s PE work at McKinsey too—plenty of it these days. Progression is just fine at McKinsey—can’t imagine it’s any harder or easier than Bain. Culture is hard to differentiate and generalize about given the sizes of these companies, but I’d suggest talking to folks in your potential offices and seeing what you think of them. Prestige doesn’t matter.
The reality is that there’s little difference between the two in any practical sense, so pick the place you feel more excited about and comfortable with. The diversity of work point you mentioned and the regional staffing point that BCG1 brought up are potentially important, so consider those, but you really can’t go wrong either way. Congrats!
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Go with McKinsey! The ability to be staffed on projects beyond your home office is huge.
BCG for example does regional staffing and it is very, very difficult to be staffed on an interesting case at say Microsoft, if you’re in the New York office. Whereas it’s very easy to be staffed on New York projects, if you’re in the Washington, D.C. office.
Bain’s office based staffing model is even more restrictive
This will be a HUGE determinant of your project opportunities. Do not ignore this difference.
Gotcha, just repeating what I heard from a large NA office.
Tbh, Bain if you have a personality (want to be friends with people you work with, enjoy culture, better WLB but less prestige and slower promotion cycle)
McKinsey if work is your personality
B2 - what are you talking about? 50 - 55 hours is awesome!! I have been averaging 70-75 hours at Mck lol
Congrats on both offers! Are you in the USA?
I would suggest going with your gut based on your impression of the people you met during the interview process. If no clear preference, default to McK. I wouldn’t factor in pay at all - the difference would be minimal imo.
I rejected conversion from Bain ACI to go to McK full time and it's been great (based in SEA)
Prestige is a differentiator that you’ll forget soon after joining - actual impact on your happiness likely minimal.
I’d push you on the culture piece - there is far more difference within firms (across industries, geographies, functions) than between firms - based on conversations with MBA classmates at each. I won’t speak for all of McKinsey and I haven’t worked at other firms .. but the home I have found is collaborative, friendly, non-hierarchical, invested in my development, and I love it. If I served financial clients in NYC at any of the firms, I’d probably hate it (personal bias here)
All that said - in your shoes - I’d trust my gut on personal fit based on the people that I’ve met, within my specific geography and industry of interest (if known). That will be more targeted and meaningful to your experience.
Finally, congrats! No need to downplay this hard won success with “I happen to” :)
Do they both have sell weekends? If so, go to both of them. Do that, and it won't even be a question.
In my opinion. Go for McKinsey. Everyone knows it is #1.
Is better exits for McK really true? Job listings will often specify a requirement for “top tier consulting”, or sometimes specifically “Bain, McK, BCG”, but I’ve never seen specifically McK being required/helpful over Bain, BCG. If anything it’s more limited by the specific domain expertise you build up while there, so maybe McK would open more public sector doors, and Bain more PE doors, but it’s a bit of a stretch.
Anyway, congrats on both offers, you’re in a great position!
Got it! Sounds like the kind of thing that should therefore be prioritized way behind some of the other factors (staffing model, culture, etc.), unless somebody knows they are likely to find themselves in that position in the future
Given that both offices are located in Asia, go with McK. Prestige is more of a factor in the region than in the west, and Bain has a much smaller presence relative to McK and BcG.
OP - McK is a much bigger name than Bain in Asia and will definitely open more doors in the future. However we work considerably long hours compared to other firms.
If you just want to spend a couple years in consulting and leave, McK is probably the place. If you want to be a lifer, you should weigh in other factors people mentioned above. I know you will be able to make this decision only after you start, but wanted to give you some info.
McKinsey. Just Do It.
There’s gonna be very little difference between the two... which is why it doesn’t matter... which is why I would pick McK..
Bain has a fantastic culture and I like their approach to growth compared to McK/BCG, but seems to have more exposure to COVID economic impacts (correct me if I’m wrong Bain people).
Another thing to consider is exit opportunities- Mck will help find you and position you for a good role even when it’s up or out
That’s not necessarily a differentiator. Bain also has a pretty solid career support service/network (at least in my region), and I’d bet BCG does too.
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Opp to do PE work is great.