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Im not searching for a new job but an acquaintance reached out about a similar role at a similar energy company.Turns out 2 ppl threw my name in the hat. I looked into it and the position was posted 2 weeks ago.Their director wants to meet.I bet pay is one of the first things to be discussed so that no one’s time is wasted.Am I crazy for not wanting to entertain it for less than 20-25% base pay increase?Is it selfish to ask for more? I’m sure most salary conversations end in negotiation anyways?
Hey! Any Google folks know if it’s possible to negotiate fully remote if a contract role is hybrid? Personally, I don’t want to relocate and go to the office on a contract role given the current economy. Plus, I’m assuming contractors are the first to go in layoffs. I just think it’s a fair trade off if I’d be allowed to work fully remote. I’m also trying to have flexibility to manage my Airbnb business in a different country. Same time zone as the home office if I’d travel weeks at a time.
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Don't really have anything to lose in this situation. Just make sure you're committed to the new company if you do use the offer to negotiate with current company, as they might let you go immediately.
That can be a tricky move. If you're considering leaving anyway, you have nothing to lose, worse case you go off and make more money. That could be the likely outcome. If your current employer hasn't wanted to pay you at that level before, it seems unlikely they would now. If you want to stay, you might as well try it, though I'm not sure what the attraction is of staying where you haven't been valued.
I’m in this boat myself. I love my job and my team but I’m highly underpaid. The last 4 years have been 0-2% merits and 0-5% bonuses (zero meaning some years I got nothing). I had an outstanding annual performance review last month and zero raise. I did get my bonus but it’s taxed so much it’s not even worth it to me. The exact thought in my head is they undervalue me and have insulted me by not rewarding me properly. I guess I messed up when I accepted a low offer when I took the job. I should have negotiated more. I wanted out from my last company really bad!!
I know I’m worth more based on market value for my skills. I’m 98% certain that if I went and got a higher offer elsewhere my company wouldn’t care. They would say sorry we can’t do it, see you later. My boss would fight for me but she doesn’t have authority to give me a pay increase. The sad part is when they replace me, chances are the next person will ask for the range I’m supposed to be at. Then they spend the next year training them! What a waste!
It’s so frustrating!
I would not recommend using the other offer as the reason for asking for a raise. Instead, I would write up all the reasons why you deserve the raise. As a manager, if someone came to me for a raise only when they were offered more elsewhere, I would wonder why they didn't think themselves deserving of a raise rather than have someone else show them they are deserving. I recommend you either take the new job or stay at your current job and discover and showcase your worth, and then present your own case for a raise.
I see your viewpoint. I think if someone were in a similar situation like mine where the company just doesn’t give increases outside of the regular compensation cycle it’s difficult to ask at any given time. I just had my performance review last month and it was stellar based on what my manager said. The company took her review of me with a grain of salt because I got no raise and a minuscule bonus. I’d take a base pay increase any day over a bonus. Even with the bonus I’m still underpaid for my skillsets in this market. I don’t think I would have any other chance to ask for a higher base pay unless I had an offer in hand and they realized they needed to keep me. If they don’t see it that way then I’m gone. Like I mentioned above, it’s unfortunate because the next person after me would ask for the higher range and would likely get it. I’ve fallen behind on what my role should be paid because the market continues to grow and increase and my company refuses to keep up with the market.
I have done it but I will say, it is a tricky move. In my case, I knew my boss didn't want to lose me and would likely make the effort to get them to match the outside offer. Nobody knows your situation better than you do.
If you liked your current team, you wouldn’t have been looking elsewhere. I would not try to leverage your external offer with your current company. I hope you’re at peace with either direction you go with. Good luck!
I think liking your team delays someone from looking elsewhere, but at the end of the day money is a great motivator. If you’re undervalued I think at some point it eats at you enough to the point you feel resentful toward your employer (not your team) and you’re driven to find something else that pays better. Plus as you stay in your role longer you get more responsibilities and when you’re not rewarded financially for that it just adds more stress, further compounding your frustrations. This has been my recent experience anyway…
Consultant 1 has the idea.
Maybe in a very big company where you trust your direct line manager that they “needed the leverage to help you.”
But most likely you’re gonna be marked a flight risk after that. (Which shoukd be accurate—you should be actively looking within 8 months of that raise.)
Not much of a negotiator myself, but was working for a non profit thar had just given me a raise that they called great and I felt it was not. Had a job offer but really liked my current job. Told the boss's secretary that I really wanted to stay, but the offer was so much better financially. My boss invited me out for coffee to discuss. I told her a range of pay I would accept to stay. I knew they valued me. They offered me an amount in that range and it wasn't the bottom range of my request. I stayed and was able to even buy a house. Only time I've done that but it definitely worked.
I have been in this situation. I used my external offer to negotiate because I loved what I was doing at the time. My manager was not very happy with that approach but she did not let me go because I was performing well.
I always advise people to either take the new offer and move on, or decide if you want to stay at your current job without asking them to match an external offer, if you get a significant increase in pay from another company, more often than not, your current company can not match it, and you pick up a reputation once you show your external offer (flight risk), that may be the beginning of your end at that company and what used to be a pleasant team/work environment can turn toxic really quickly.
You know what you want, if the pay matters more than remaining at your current job, just accept the new offer and move on.
If you need more money, and the difference is substantial, and you don't think your current position is any safer than taking a new job, leave. Take the offer. You should be getting that already where you are. Don't talk with them about your offer, but be nice. It's a round world.
Tried that, they said they can’t match so I had to leave
What matters more to you?
I’ve had 2 employees one with 12 years and one with 13 years both my lead guys. My thought is you’re definitely looking for something else so I let both of them go instantly
Did that offer come out of the blue, or were you looking ?
Yup applied to the general managers wife who is in charge of hirings company and the next morning I was pulled in and offered a 2 dollar an hour raise lol
Yep you can show the offer and be honest with them. You love them and want to stay.
Yes. And I left. You can always negotiate. It doesn't mean they need to give you more money.
Yes, you can use it. Be honest- say another firm has made you an offer, but you want to stay and ask if they can match the offer. It’s is the best way to get a market raise without leaving. Your firm may counter or say “no.” They are unlikely to fire you. If they say “no”, you can decide to stay or not. Try to be transparent and don’t put a gun to their head. Give them a few days to get back to you. I have had this happen to me as a manager and I have seen if done many any times at large firms.
Nobody will pay your bills but you. Take every opportunity you can in this economy. Maybe take your fave employees with you?
his is a common dilemma. Using an outside offer to negotiate a raise can work, but it depends a lot on your company culture and how you approach it. Key tips:
Be tactful – Frame it as wanting to stay because you value your team, but the offer made you evaluate your market value.
Focus on facts – Highlight your contributions and achievements rather than just the other offer.
Prepare for any outcome – Some companies may accept and counter, others may not react positively.
If anyone needs guidance on negotiating raises, leveraging offers, or exploring other opportunities without burning bridges, I can assist you to get there and secure your job. Reach out to me at emilychristhiringteam.gmail.com